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00:00 <sinclairzx> mdedetrich: i expect that there will be optimizations in future
00:00 <Zak> mdedetrich: ummm
00:00 <mdedetrich> and for client side you always have googles closure compiler, or ulglifyjs or something
00:00 <Zak> did you even look at the source and the output?
00:00 <mdedetrich> Zak: yes?
00:00 <Zak> because the source is double-spaced.........
00:00 <Zak> i think sinclair is really getting paid :P
00:00 <sinclairzx> Zak: you wouldn't end up writing something like this anyway?
00:01 <Zak> that wasn't my point
00:01 <mdedetrich> oh woops
00:01 <mdedetrich> my bad
00:01 <mdedetrich> but
00:01 <Zak> it was mdedetrich who was comparing source and taget :P
00:01 <mdedetrich> I don't see how you can write
00:01 <mdedetrich> more dense
00:01 <mdedetrich> javascript
00:01 <mdedetrich> that does the same thing
00:01 <mdedetrich> (unless you do something stupid like put all the stuff on a single line or rename all the variables to single characters)
00:01 <Zak> mdedetrich: thats the point. you wouldn't want to in the first place :P
00:01 <Zak> at least, i wouldn't want to
00:02 <kennethkoontz> Is event emitter the right tool to perform several http requests async? Or would the promise lib be a better choice?
00:02 <Zak> again, there are reasons to do it
00:02 <mdedetrich> Zak: wouldn't want to what?
00:02 <Zak> i just don't need it
00:02 <mdedetrich> if you need to do proper classes, thats how you have to represent them
00:02 <mdedetrich> in javascript
00:02 <Zak> "write javascript ... that does the same thing" (as typescript)
00:02 <mdedetrich> Zak: what point are you making
00:02 <Zak> dw
00:03 <Zak> i don't want to start another 2 hour argument
00:03 <mdedetrich> also mind you, code generated from both TS and CS
00:03 <mdedetrich> is longer because its designed to work with crap like IE
00:03 <mdedetrich> (IE doesn't support foreach, which would save like 3 lines on every loop iteration)
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00:03 <mdedetrich> IE6 iirc
00:04 <mdedetrich> IE6 also doesn't do prototype inheritance properly
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00:04 <sinclairzx> guys, see the generated handler code?
00:04 <mdedetrich> among other things
00:04 <sinclairzx> that's kinda yuck
00:04 <mdedetrich> why
00:05 <Zak> sinclairzx: can you try something
00:05 <Zak> call one of your function arguments "_this"
00:05 <Zak> and recompile
00:05 <sinclairzx> what line?
00:05 <Zak> ummm
00:05 <Zak> i'll give you a line number.. hold on
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00:06 <Zak> line 79
00:06 <Zak> change "request" to "_this"
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00:06 <sinclairzx> that would just resolve to _this._this tho
00:07 <sinclairzx> can try, hang on
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00:09 <sinclairzx> Zak: you dun broke it :D
00:09 <Zak> did it end up conflicting with the _this outside of the function?
00:09 <sinclairzx> yeah
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00:09 <Zak> i'm surprised it did that
00:10 <Zak> time to submit a bug :P
00:10 <sinclairzx> nice trick mate
00:10 <Zak> it shouldn't do that
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00:10 <Zak> somebody obviously missed it
00:10 <Zak> although...
00:10 <Zak> maybe you can't tell
00:10 <Zak> nfi
00:10 <sinclairzx> im not exactly sure what it "should" do tho
00:10 <sinclairzx> require _this to be ______this?
00:11 <Zak> well, it should know what other variable names aren't valid because they introduced them
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00:11 <sinclairzx> its locally scoped, so rewriting might be ok?
00:11 <sinclairzx> either that, or reserve _this
00:11 <Zak> yeah, that's not a good idea
00:11 <Zak> reserving words like that, is the touch of death
00:11 <ChrisPartridge> should it not just fail to compile with typescript and warn you?
00:11 <sinclairzx> Zak: join #typescript
00:12 <astropirate> Hello friends!
00:12 <sinclairzx> Zak: there are a few issues and quirks ive notice with TS
00:12 <mdedetrich> well I don't think that you should name your classes/functions as _this
00:12 <sinclairzx> (one which prevents me from writing node code in modules)
00:13 <sinclairzx> or have a import statement inside a module
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00:13 <Zak> mdedetrich: the point is, that stuff should be clearly documented, or should fail compilation
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00:14 <mdedetrich> true, I would argue though if you are doing such a thing
00:14 <Zak> the whole argument of using typescript is that it should hit errors sooner and shouldn't have these "silent" bugs
00:14 <mdedetrich> you are an idiot
00:14 <Zak> given that a few days ago we said most developers are idiots
00:14 <Zak> and typescript are for C# developers
00:14 <Zak> they need to fix the bug :P
00:14 <mdedetrich> completely catering for idiots is quite hard
00:14 <Zak> it should be a compilation error
00:14 <mdedetrich> naming your function as _this
00:15 <mdedetrich> in js
00:15 <Zak> pretty simple fix
00:15 <mdedetrich> is idiotic
00:15 <Zak> its not a function though
00:15 <Zak> its a variable
00:15 <Zak> parameter/variable
00:15 <Zak> and its not that idiotic
00:15 <Zak> anyway, it shouldn't be some time-bomb waiting to go off later
00:15 <ChrisPartridge> Zak: does typescript use _this internally?
00:15 <Zak> esp if you can catch it during compilation
00:16 <Zak> ChrisPartridge: yes
00:16 <Zak> thats exactly why i asked sinclairzx to try it
00:16 <Oddman> <mdedetrich> naming your function as _this
00:16 <Oddman> rofl
00:16 <Oddman> I have never seen that, thank god
00:16 <Zak> its not a function
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00:16 <Zak> it was a variable (at least in typescript)
00:16 <astropirate> You have failed me for the last time
00:16 <Oddman> O.o
00:16 <Zak> as in... we changed it to that name, to see what would happen
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00:17 <ChrisPartridge> Yeah, gotcha
00:17 <Zak> but its plausible that it could happen in real code
00:17 <Zak> although, i don't like variable names with underscore in them
00:17 <Zak> people like to use them to indicate private function/variables
00:18 <mdedetrich> I guess to put more light on my opinion
00:18 <mdedetrich> I consider naming either functions or variables as _this idioitic
00:18 <mdedetrich> in a language like TS/CS
00:18 <mdedetrich> because if you look at the generated code
00:18 <mdedetrich> they use that stuff internally
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00:19 <Zak> last time I wrote C, i didn't look at the generated ASM to check whether something was reserved
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00:19 <Zak> (not that its even possible to reserve shit in ASM)
00:19 <Zak> point is, compiler should pick up that crap
00:19 <mdedetrich> I would argue that TS/CS is more similar to a translator than a compiler
00:20 <mdedetrich> although thats quite a semantical seperation
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00:20 <Zak> it is
00:20 <Zak> and if i can't write typescript without checking the javascript every time, it defies the entire point
00:20 <Zak> (same for CS
00:20 <ChrisPartridge> yeah, that's what irks me about CS
00:20 <mdedetrich> I don't really check the JS for CS anymore
00:21 <Zak> you shouldn't have to
00:21 <mdedetrich> I haven't had any issues
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00:21 <Zak> its okay for TS atm
00:21 <Zak> its new
00:21 <Zak> but if i had to do it in 6 months, i'm not going near it
00:21 <mdedetrich> well I did when I started, but thats for different reasons (was interested in how it did something)
00:21 <Zak> yeah sure
00:21 <Zak> i like the idea of coffeescript
00:21 <Zak> but i still prefer to write in javascript
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00:22 <mdedetrich> cs is really nice when you its completely transparent to the coder
00:22 <mdedetrich> i.e. the web framework treats .coffee in the exact same was as .js
00:22 <mdedetrich> SS does that, and its quite nice
00:23 <mdedetrich> the biggest problem with CS is frameworks doing the complication in a non transparent and retarded way
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00:23 <sinclairzx> http://garann.github.com/template-chooser/
00:23 <sadtaco> It seems like a ddos attack is targetting my node/socket.io and making it use 100% of my servers cpu.
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00:24 <larryapplegate> I am using the Apple sample code SimpleURLConnections to try and upload test images to node-formidable, using upload.js in the example folder. I get this response - Error: parser error, 0 of 22900 bytes parsed. The header is 158 bytes, the file is 22570 bytes, and the trailer 172 bytes, adding up to 22900. I can watch the IOS app send the correct file data. So I am guessing that the header is wrong. Any suggestions?
00:25 <Zak> that website seems to promote dot.js :P
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00:26 <mdedetrich> oh I meant compilation before, not complication
00:26 <mdedetrich> man I hate auto spelling correct in mac
00:26 <larryapplegate> me too
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00:27 <ChrisPartridge> sadtaco: ouch
00:28 <larryapplegate> can't type couch and db
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00:28 <sadtaco> I'm not too sure what I should do to prevent it
00:28 <larryapplegate> couchdb
00:28 <larryapplegate> oh, proved myself wrong. it sometimes comes out couched
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00:29 <ChrisPartridge> sadtaco: you need to report it upstream to your provider, otherwise you could get your app to report the offending sources and block them via iptables (to prevent CPU usage, and keep your app up). Still won't stop the data coming the edge of the server though
00:29 <sinclairzx> anyone here used Razor ?
00:30 <pyrotechnick> i have alot yeah what's up
00:30 <sinclairzx> curious if there is a JS template engine as good as Razor
00:30 <pyrotechnick> wait what
00:30 <pyrotechnick> eww no
00:30 <pyrotechnick> soz
00:31 <sinclairzx> pyrotechnick: don't like Razor either aye?
00:32 <zyzzyva> mdedetrich: as you didnt give a definition, we play by what is a perfectly acceptable definition of map: http://pastebin.com/W0P296yS
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00:34 <zyzzyva> as for scala, I'm not aware but if scala is an untyped lambda calculus on java id expect you could construct a type that would break it
00:34 <zyzzyva> so we'll leave it at "neither scala nor java conform to your definition of map, and therefore there's no gain in expressivity"
00:35 <zyzzyva> im guessing you probably blocked me mdedetrich, which is ok
00:35 <Zak> < zyzzyva> mdedetrich: as you didnt give a definition, we play by what is a perfectly acceptable definition of map: http://pastebin.com/W0P296yS
00:35 <Zak> i'm passing that along
00:36 <Zak> because it looks like it took more than a few minutes to do that
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00:36 <Zak> and he deserves a response, regardless of whether you ignored him or not
00:36 <zyzzyva> i didnt ignore him
00:36 <zyzzyva> i thought he might have ignored me
00:36 <Zak> yeah
00:36 <Zak> i was talking to mdedetrich
00:36 <zyzzyva> regardless, he got a conformant response
00:36 <zyzzyva> and if he wants, i can break scala's map
00:36 <zyzzyva> :)
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00:37 <zyzzyva> so we'll leave it at scala is in fact no more expressive than java
00:37 <jesusabdullah> guys
00:37 <jesusabdullah> chillax
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00:38 <onats> whoa! 800
00:38 <sinclairzx> zyzzyva: scala is more expressive than java tho
00:38 <jesusabdullah> "expressive" is like
00:39 <jesusabdullah> platitudes for software
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00:41 <mdedetrich> your mmap is not accepting higher order functions
00:41 <mdedetrich> I mean sorry, your mmap is not a higher order function
00:41 <sinclairzx> here's a thought, it is not a good idea to expose objects to client script when using TS
00:42 <mdedetrich> try again
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00:48 <cainus> hey all.. anyone know what happened to hook.io?
00:48 <cainus> seems deleted
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00:50 <astropirate> Yup, i never bet on anything tha ends in .io
00:50 <astropirate> HAHA
00:50 <ChrisPartridge> cainus: marak "quit" node
00:51 <cainus> so he deleted it?
00:51 <ChrisPartridge> I guess so
00:51 <gkatsev> something like that
00:51 <ChrisPartridge> cainus: perhaps look for a fork and work from there
00:51 <cainus> yeah or npm install and start a new one
00:52 <cainus> alright thanks
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01:16 <mdedetrich> damn
01:16 <mdedetrich> he went away
01:16 <mdedetrich> oh well
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01:17 <Raynos> https://github.com/Raynos/doc-test#example
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01:21 <Raynos> Anyone have any API suggestions on doc test?
01:26 <TehShrike|Work> I don't
01:26 <TehShrike|Work> I mean, I could probably come up with some
01:26 <TehShrike|Work> But they would be horribly uninformed, and pulled out of my ass
01:26 <TehShrike|Work> So no, not really
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01:29 <ChrisPartridge> Raynos: I'm not really "getting it"
01:29 <harrison_> Raynos: is this something similar to Python's doctest?
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01:30 <Raynos> yes its similar to doctest
01:30 <TehShrike|Work> And see, here come the people asking reasonable questions
01:30 <Raynos> ChrisPartridge: It's basically a small compiler that takes my examples an makes them executable tests
01:30 <TehShrike|Work> Thank goodness for them
01:30 <TehShrike|Work> Otherwise I'd just be standing here, looking like an idiot
01:30 <harrisonm> (Full disclaimer, I've never used doctest, just found it on a quick duckduckgo search)
01:31 <harrisonm> So, any suggestions for API from me would also be uninformed
01:31 <Raynos> ChrisPatridge: I guess I'm not showing the case where if your logs don't match it fails hard.
01:31 <harrisonm> Looks like a cool project, though
01:32 <ChrisPartridge> Raynos: whats the advantage over writing actual tests with mocha? You get more concise usage of the code?
01:32 <ChrisPartridge> (mocha/other testing framework)
01:32 <Raynos> the main advantages is that your not writing tests. Screw writing tests. Just write executable examples.
01:32 <Raynos> Recently I've only been writing examples and have been too lazy for actual tests
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01:33 <harrisonm> But at that point you're having to write an example for every case you want to test
01:33 <harrisonm> I can see the fantastic use of this for documentation testing, but I'm a little dubious of it as a TDD tool
01:34 <harrisonm> This doesn't really help you with your API question, though
01:34 <Raynos> harrisonm: It's not for TDD, or it could be but would need a lot of polish
01:34 <ChrisPartridge> Raynos: is there any reason you put "function" in the comment below? could that not be a third argument to log?
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01:35 <Raynos> ChrisPartridge: then you might as well replace it with assert.equal
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01:35 <ChrisPartridge> Well yeah
01:38 <TehShrike|Work> Man, someone awesome should really hire me
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01:39 <ChrisPartridge> TehShrike|Work: jobs.nodejs.org ?
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01:39 <nathan7> The heck?
01:39 <nathan7> It's US-only?
01:40 <nathan7> Which city did you mean? ["Amsterdam, MO","Amsterdam, NY","Amsterdam, OH","Amsterdam, MT"]
01:40 <TehShrike|Work> ChrisPartridge: no way to search for telecommute jobs :-(
01:42 <astropirate> TehShrike|Work, you and me buddy
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01:45 <larryapplegate> I'm not awesome but I've hired telecommuters for various things
01:45 <larryapplegate> people i've never met in person
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01:59 <harrisonm> nothing showing up for Dallas area :/
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02:00 <jmoyers> move.
02:01 <jmoyers> also, go to http://www.meetup.com/DallasNode/
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02:05 <harrisonm> Hah. And already knew about that, but I have class Thursday nights
02:05 <jmoyers> priorities.
02:07 <harrisonm> If it helps, I'm writing my project for that class in node :P
02:07 <harrisonm> Also, I'm a research assistant
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02:08 <harrisonm> so failing class means losing job/scholarship
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02:08 <jmoyers> fair enough ;-)
02:09 <harrisonm> I'm also writing almost everything for my assistantship in node
02:09 <harrisonm> so it works out
02:11 <jmoyers> more than i get to write
02:12 <harrisonm> Yeah, it's really nice. My original plan was to go full-time at a gig I'd had for a while that was mainly .NET. Pretty glad that didn't pan out now
02:12 <Oddman> muahaha
02:13 <harrisonm> Still doing stuff on the side for them, and I've gone from web forms to .NET MVC
02:13 <hemanth> Dot not
02:13 <harrisonm> which is significantly better
02:13 <harrisonm> but it's still .NET
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02:13 <hemanth> MVC is not dead yet?
02:13 <harrisonm> No, they're coming out with .NET MVC 4 soon
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02:13 <hemanth> M$ $tuff hmm
02:13 <Oddman> lol
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02:15 <harrisonm> again, if you're going to be coding Microsoft web stuff, MVC's the way to go; it's not half bad. But I'd rather not be using Microsoft Server at all
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02:18 <Raynos> Anyone know of a good way to run an arbitary JS file in a repl?
02:18 <jmoyers> … require?
02:19 <Raynos> That won't work
02:19 <niggler> what are you trying to do?
02:19 <Raynos> I want the local variables in my REPL scope
02:19 <Raynos> so I need a way to inject the code into the REPL
02:19 <niggler> do you have control over the js code?
02:19 <jmoyers> and copy paste isn't an option?
02:19 <Raynos> i tried copy and paste
02:19 <Raynos> repl input pukes at new lines
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02:20 <Raynos> niggler: I can read and modify the source code to make it REPL safe
02:20 <jmoyers> eval(fs.readFileSync)
02:20 <jmoyers> maybe?
02:20 <ChrisPartridge> Raynos: possibly vm.runInThisContext ?
02:20 <Raynos> that might work
02:20 <Raynos> runInThisContext can't mutate local variables
02:21 <Raynos> which may not be a problem tbh
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02:21 <alucardX> hi
02:21 <ljharb> Raynos: why do you want to do that?
02:21 <niggler> why not just wrap it in a function and call it with the repl scope?
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02:21 <jmoyers> not a bad idea
02:21 <jmoyers> .call(this)
02:21 <jmoyers> or whatever
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02:22 <Raynos> ljharb: because it's fun
02:22 <Raynos> the next problem is making file local require's work with this repl
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02:25 <nathan7> Raynos: .load
02:25 <Raynos> load?
02:25 <nathan7> > .load blah.js
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02:25 <nathan7> it'll execute blah.js
02:25 <nathan7> there's also .save
02:25 <Raynos> really
02:25 <nathan7> see .help
02:25 <Raynos> thats crazy
02:25 <nathan7> really
02:25 <nathan7> I discovered it while reading the REPL docs
02:26 <Raynos> it doesnt really work
02:26 <Raynos> it expects cleanly formatted stuff
02:26 <nathan7> works here
02:26 <Raynos> try arbitary files
02:26 <mdedetrich> ill execute your blah.js
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02:27 <nathan7> Raynos: works
02:27 <nathan7> Raynos: plain JS files work for me fine
02:27 <Raynos> nathan7: load this file https://github.com/Raynos/doc-test/blob/master/test/readySignal.js it wont work
02:28 <Raynos> use comma first. It wont work :P
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02:28 <nathan7> Comma first?
02:28 <olasd> use javascript. It won't work
02:28 <nathan7> ah
02:28 <* olasd> hides
02:28 <* nathan7> beats olasd up
02:28 <* olasd> purrs
02:28 <* purr> rrrrrr
02:28 <nathan7> ..the heck is wrong with you, man
02:29 <nathan7> Raynos: I just do var
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02:29 <nathan7> Raynos: I like my individual variable declarations to be independent
02:29 <jmoyers> each like a unique snowflake
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02:30 <nathan7> you are not a unique, beautiful snowflake
02:30 <nathan7> Oh cool
02:30 <nathan7> my pants are caffeinated
02:31 <nathan7> I left caffeine tablets in my pocket and they kinda dissolved
02:31 <Oddman> if that was lsd you'd be hiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigh
02:31 <hemanth> Caffine
02:31 <Zak> lucky your pants aren't high, otherwise your balls would be showing
02:32 <niggler> so can you invoke node as if using the repl but piping commands in?
02:32 <niggler> the point being, if you had a file you wanted to load
02:32 <niggler> its not equivalent to require
02:32 <harrisonm> I pulled irssi back up at a really weird place in this conversation
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02:33 <nathan7> Oddman: Nah, the heat in the washing machine would've destroyed most of it.
02:33 <niggler> so if you wanted to replay exactly what happened, node the interpreter would need to process .load and .save
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02:33 <Oddman> nathan7, haha true :D
02:33 <nathan7> Sensitive lil' molecule
02:33 <Oddman> LOL!
02:34 <nathan7> ..why do I keep reading 'mongo-lite' as 'mongolite'
02:34 <ChrisPartridge> maybe you cant see dashes?
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02:34 <nathan7> on a side note, yesterday a classmate opened the jQuery source
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02:34 <nathan7> and Chrome offered to translate it
02:34 <nathan7> thus, jQuery in Dutch. http://pastebin.com/Ywzz1h49
02:34 <Oddman> LOL
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02:35 <Oddman> oh man, cracking me up
02:35 <Zak> lol
02:35 <nathan7> One day an archeologist is gonna find my IRC logs
02:35 <nathan7> and he'll try to reconstruct my train of thought
02:35 <nathan7> and his brain will explode.
02:36 <onats> whats up hackers!
02:36 <nathan7> Chinchillas.
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02:37 <Zak> nathan7: Reminded me of this: http://bigeyedeer.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/greeting490.jpg
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02:39 <nathan7> Zak: heh
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02:41 <niallo> i'm sure i'm doing something stupid, but i have a long-lived daemon process using node + zmq, and it exits after a number of seconds with no error. how do i prevent this happening?
02:42 <larryapplegate> yes, but you must know what to feed it
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02:43 <niallo> it registers a handler for messages on a zmq pull socket and is supposed to stay alive forever processing those as they arrive. however it always exits after a number of seconds. processes messages just fine while it's alive.
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02:43 <ChrisPartridge> niallo: code?
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02:44 <jmoyers> niallo listening for .on('error')?
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02:46 <niallo> jmoyers: on the zmq socket? no
02:46 <niallo> ChrisPartridge: i can't share the whole file but here is the gist: https://gist.github.com/15b07bb033aa88dddc77
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02:48 <jmoyers> niallo https://github.com/JustinTulloss/zeromq.node/issues/145
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02:49 <niallo> jmoyers: i'm actually not using bind, also this looks like a dupe of https://github.com/JustinTulloss/zeromq.node/issues/131 and i have the fix for that in my zmq version
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02:51 <niallo> jmoyers: just tried the process.on hack suggested in #145 and it doesn't work for me.
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03:03 <Raynos> https://github.com/Raynos/doc-test/blob/master/bin/doc-test.js#L19
03:03 <Raynos> Managed to get that REPL to work hackishly
03:03 <sinclairzx> heya, what do you guys use for html templating?
03:03 <Raynos> Anyone have any better / less silly suggestions?
03:03 <Raynos> sinclairzx: html
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03:04 <sinclairzx> Raynos: ?
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03:04 <sinclairzx> Raynos: you template html using just html?
03:04 <Raynos> No
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03:04 <Raynos> I actually use jade
03:05 <sinclairzx> works good on node?
03:05 <jmoyers> sinclairzx http://handlebarsjs.com/ or ejs, typically.
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03:05 <jmoyers> heh, jade is from node
03:05 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: thanks :)
03:05 <Oddman> jade is horrible
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03:05 <jmoyers> jade and stylus are a combo
03:05 <Oddman> god no
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03:05 <Oddman> whitespace screwing with view logic... no thanks
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03:06 <Oddman> and jade is/was inspired by haml, which is just as bad
03:06 <jmoyers> plenty of people subscribe to it
03:06 <jmoyers> not my aesthetic, but whatever.
03:06 <Oddman> yeah, those people either haven't gotten to a point where whitespace has caused them problems, or don't care about the issue
03:07 <Oddman> it's a very attractive option until you delve deeper
03:07 <Raynos> oh I hate significant whitespace
03:07 <* sinclairzx> doesn't like haml at all
03:07 <Raynos> but jade is feature rich and well maintained
03:07 <jmoyers> heh
03:07 <jmoyers> whatever you say
03:08 <Oddman> Raynos, yup, agree on the latter
03:08 <jmoyers> i kind of feel like a module with 790 some odd pull requests
03:08 <Oddman> but the first point screws it
03:08 <jmoyers> deserves a bit of respect.
03:08 <Oddman> jmoyers, last I heard - having concerns about how something is implemented/works doesn't affect your respect for a project
03:09 <jmoyers> no, but an opening statement of "jade is horrible" does
03:09 <Oddman> I gave my reasoning
03:09 <stagas> Oddman: what's the issue with whitespace
03:09 <Oddman> as I said "very attractive option until you delve deeper"
03:09 <Oddman> stagas, say you need a conditional as to whether to output a tag or not, or one tag or another
03:10 <Oddman> in jade/haml that's very hard because the whitespace is significant for the creation of closing tags
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03:11 <ljharb> it's just like coffeescript, or less, or sass, or whatever. it's another moving part between you and the browser, for minimal benefit.
03:11 <ljharb> just writing JS, CSS, and HTML is not that hard.
03:11 <Oddman> ljharb, although i agree with you, that's not really a concern for me for whether I not I'd use it
03:11 <ljharb> well, on top of that, i think jade and haml are ugly as sin
03:11 <Oddman> hahaha
03:11 <Oddman> tbh I think the syntax is rather nice
03:11 <ljharb> but i have a real reason besides aesthetics
03:11 <Oddman> it just has inherent problems
03:11 <jmoyers> yeah, let me fucking write -webkit- -moz -filter seven million times
03:12 <Oddman> which tbh, I don't think the authors realized when they started
03:12 <jmoyers> and have no variables in my css
03:12 <jmoyers> that sounds fucking great
03:12 <jmoyers> superset css languages and literally the shit
03:12 <ljharb> jmoyers: i appreciate how variables and mixins can help, but do you really use those features that often?
03:12 <jmoyers> they are the best things ever.
03:12 <Oddman> LESS is okay, Sass is a pain
03:12 <jmoyers> indeed, yes i do
03:12 <Oddman> and tbh, if you write good CSS - variable use/mixins is hardly necessary
03:12 <ljharb> Oddman++
03:12 <Oddman> because that's what classes are for
03:13 <ljharb> less and sass lead to the generated css being huge, and overly nested, which sucks for performance.
03:13 <jmoyers> my god
03:13 <jmoyers> how big are the apps you guys are writing?
03:13 <ljharb> heck, in less, @import by default does multiple import
03:13 <ljharb> jmoyers: how big are the apps youre writing that you need millions of occurrences of css3 properties?
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03:13 <jmoyers> its not millions, brother
03:13 <ljharb> jmoyers: if the app is small, just write -webkit, -moz, and standard :-p
03:14 <ljharb> you said seven million above :-)
03:14 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: does handlebars compile the template?
03:14 <jmoyers> its boring garbage that after the fiftieth time i've written
03:14 <jmoyers> I'm done with it
03:14 <Oddman> jmoyers, shows you have no respect for good CSS ;)
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03:14 <jmoyers> listen, if you aren't minifying and contacting already (compile step), i guess i don't know what to say
03:14 <Oddman> SASS/LESS actually encourage bad CSS practises
03:14 <ljharb> jmoyers: minification doesn't change how you write code
03:14 <ljharb> and concatenation honestly isn't necessary for most sites.
03:15 <Oddman> yes, they're useful, yes - if you know what you're doing, they're handy, but they don't really provide that much benefit if you know what the hell you're doing int he firs tplace
03:15 <jmoyers> no, but it introduces a compile step
03:15 <ljharb> but either way, it doesn't change how you write code.
03:15 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: have you used the Razor Engine templates?
03:15 <jmoyers> no idea what that is
03:15 <ljharb> jmoyers: a compile step that doesn't change the code. it works both uncompiled and compiled, natively in the browser.
03:15 <jmoyers> i get so tired of hearing constant minimalist garbage in this channel
03:15 <jmoyers> stop trolling and let people make decisions based on whats out there
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03:15 <ljharb> our opinions are whats out there too.
03:16 <jmoyers> yeah, but it gets toxic over time
03:16 <ljharb> stop calling them garbage when they're valid options also.
03:16 <jmoyers> i can understand people shitting all over coffeescript etc
03:16 <ljharb> nobodys forcing you to listen to it. i find the encouraging of all these techniques far more toxic.
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03:16 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: the RazorEngine allows you to compile a template into code. then, when passing data to the template, its quicker
03:16 <jmoyers> but trying to tell me that i have no respect for good css because i use a toolchain
03:16 <sinclairzx> quicker to render (no compile step)
03:16 <jmoyers> is fucking retarded
03:16 <jmoyers> i understand templatizer like modules.
03:17 <Oddman> that's not why I said that, jmoyers
03:17 <ljharb> i didn't say that
03:17 <Oddman> so perhaps you syhould follow the conversation a little better
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03:17 <jmoyers> ....
03:17 <Oddman> "its boring garbage that after the fiftieth time i've written"
03:17 <jmoyers> "jmoyers, shows you have no respect for good CSS ;)"
03:17 <Oddman> that's what I was responding to
03:17 <* sinclairzx> thinks the problem with this channel, is endless flame wars spured on by the myriad of open source projects out there, mixed with personal preference
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03:17 <Oddman> good CSS isn't boring garbage - in fact I can gaurantee you the stuff SASS/LESS is spouting, unless you really know your CSS well - is an absolute mess.
03:18 <Gottox> sinclairzx: I missed the good old flamewars.
03:18 <Oddman> missed a great one today
03:18 <Oddman> java vs scala and map function. haha
03:18 <ljharb> "i'm not 100% happy with what's out there. i know! i'll make a new language or framework or tool!" now you have n + 1 problems.
03:18 <sinclairzx> Oddman: read that as it happend
03:18 <Oddman> haha
03:18 <Oddman> was gold
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03:19 <sinclairzx> i was siding with Scala mind you
03:19 <Gottox> the only thing i'm missing in JS is type safety.
03:20 <Gottox> and that's a solved problem with closure compiler or microsofts typescript.
03:20 <sinclairzx> *cough* TS *cough
03:20 <ljharb> oh, i wouldn't say i'm *missing* it, bob.
03:20 <* Oddman> shudders
03:20 <Oddman> sorry did someone mention microsoft?
03:20 <Gottox> :D
03:21 <sinclairzx> people who don't code using MS technology and languages, really are missing out :(
03:21 <Gottox> Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers, Developers
03:21 <ljharb> sinclairzx: read this about typescript. http://t.co/xJfNnAGG
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03:21 <ljharb> sinclairzx: that's the best, most reasoned analysis of it i've seen.
03:22 <Gottox> oh man...
03:22 <Oddman> sinclairzx, I'm sorry when I talk to MS "web" devs who don't know the first thing about REST or long polling, I die a little inside.
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03:22 <Gottox> this guy thinks coffeescript "solves" js issues?!
03:22 <sinclairzx> ljharb: already read it (and a thousand other articles on it)
03:22 <ljharb> sinclairzx: it concludes you shouldn't use it. :-)
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03:23 <Oddman> still a better approach than dart. rofl
03:23 <sinclairzx> Oddman: that's changing, im a MS guy who knows about long polling, web sockets, and the other means of doing things. I've known about these things since i can't remember when
03:23 <Oddman> sinclairzx, agreed, it is
03:24 <Oddman> but I really don't think I'm missing out by sticking to open source software
03:24 <Oddman> tbh, I'd argue it's you who is missing out :P
03:24 <sinclairzx> Oddman: not to bring up ASP.NET MVC, but, it was exactly what the ASP/NET stack was missing
03:24 <Oddman> oh no doubt
03:24 <Oddman> and I've heard a lot of people say that
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03:24 <sinclairzx> Oddman: its "crazy
03:24 <sinclairzx> good
03:25 <Oddman> I can't really comment as I haven't used it or touched it
03:25 <Oddman> but have worked with at least 5 various server-side MVC frameworks, and 3 on the client-side, as well as dabbled in meteor
03:25 <Oddman> I don't know if it would surprise me
03:25 <Oddman> meteor is imho, going to change web dev in a few years, and other platforms like it
03:25 <sinclairzx> Oddman: its really really good, and has top notch components that you would need to hunt for in the open source landscape (which is maybe why MS developers stay in the MS bubble)
03:26 <sinclairzx> Oddman: there is a reason they stay :)
03:26 <Oddman> is it open source though?
03:26 <ljharb> meteor, ugh. direct client-side DB access?
03:26 <sinclairzx> it is now, yeah
03:26 <ljharb> fails utterly without JS?
03:26 <Oddman> ljharb, way to take an example literally ;)
03:26 <ljharb> you picked a poor one :-p
03:26 <Oddman> you should read the bible :P
03:26 <Oddman> it's an example of server interaction
03:27 <Oddman> not exactly a recommendation on how it should be done
03:27 <jmoyers> i like how less than 10 minutes ago
03:27 <jmoyers> you were talking about how you should minimally stick to js html css
03:27 <sinclairzx> Oddman: ASP.NET MVC has evolved with the languages, the async await stuff means C# can do the everything async approach of node, and MVC has followed suite
03:27 <jmoyers> now you're talking about meteor as a godsend
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03:28 <Oddman> I didn't argue that at all jmoyers, and I'm also not claiming meteor to be a godsend :)
03:28 <jmoyers> "meteor is imho, going to change web dev in a few years, and other platforms like it"
03:28 <sinclairzx> Oddman: but sometimes, its nice to do things without throwing in the async
03:28 <Oddman> sinclairzx, agreed
03:28 <Oddman> jmoyers, because of how technologies like that change how we deal with client->server and client->client on the web
03:28 <sinclairzx> Oddman: C# gives you the ability to do both, easily :)
03:29 <Oddman> :)
03:29 <jmoyers> don't argue minimalism and then throw a monolithic framework in the ring.
03:29 <jmoyers> thats just silly
03:29 <Oddman> rofl
03:29 <sinclairzx> Oddman: you know, the talk of the town seems to be suggesting MS are losing interest in C#
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03:30 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: MVC 4.0 is not monolithic anymore
03:30 <jmoyers> oh i don't give a shit about asp
03:30 <jmoyers> i'm talking about meteor
03:30 <jmoyers> a framework that bundles HOSTING in, lol
03:30 <sinclairzx> oh ok
03:30 <Oddman> jmoyers, is still butt hurt about me disagreeing with him about less/sass
03:30 <ChrisPartridge> lol
03:30 <Oddman> apparently people aren't allowed to disagree
03:31 <jmoyers> any documentation that has more words than code
03:31 <jmoyers> has a big fat smell, thats all I'm saying.
03:31 <* sinclairzx> thinks responsive design is a dumb idea
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03:31 <rendar> sinclairzx: why?
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03:32 <jmoyers> sorry guy
03:32 <jmoyers> I'm just tired of people laying into tj's modules
03:32 <sinclairzx> rendar: its hard enough getting a design out and templated, let alone trying to squish the design into a different form factor
03:32 <jmoyers> when the guy is fucking prolific. if it doesn't fit your style, move on
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03:33 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: i don't really like TJ either im afraid
03:33 <jmoyers> he's dedicated to maintaining all these badass node modules for the community, and all i hear is hipsters hating on express
03:33 <rendar> i see
03:33 <stagas> sinclairzx: that's what responsive layouts solve, no?
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03:33 <_Oddman> silly interwebs
03:33 <jmoyers> sinclairzx and what have you done lately?
03:33 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: a lot of things? why?
03:34 <jmoyers> besides talk about typescript and asp.net
03:34 <jmoyers> okay, github?
03:34 <jmoyers> pull request or gtfo
03:34 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: well, there is all that work ive been doing "not dressing like a emo and proclaiming my one sided thoughts about technology to the sheep"
03:35 <jmoyers> i.. i dont even
03:35 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: i don't use github either
03:35 <sinclairzx> jmoyers: not that i have an issue with it
03:35 <astropirate> sinclairzx, fan of codeplex?
03:36 <astropirate> :D
03:36 <sinclairzx> nope, i've been using google code for years
03:36 <ChrisPartridge> oh dear, here we go.. again
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03:36 <ljharb> googlecode? good god.
03:37 <astropirate> cant stop listening to this so much epicness https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZjjqOFOVTK4
03:37 <* sinclairzx> is old school, and happens to like subversion
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03:37 <Oddman> yikes
03:37 <Oddman> have you actually played with git?
03:37 <ChrisPartridge> no wonder you love microsoft so much
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03:37 <ljharb> subversion?!?
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03:37 <astropirate> I like CVS
03:37 <ljharb> sinclairzx, you're fast making your opinions irrelevant
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03:37 <ljharb> CVS is god-awful.
03:38 <astropirate> ljharb, get on my level
03:38 <ljharb> still using subversion in 2012 is almost as bad as not having version control at all
03:38 <sinclairzx> Oddman: yes, ill be switching over eventually to take advantage of git publishing on Azure
03:38 <ChrisPartridge> Did anyone ever use VSS?
03:38 <ljharb> ChrisPartridge: of course, 12 years ago
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03:38 <ChrisPartridge> We still have a project in VSS
03:38 <sinclairzx> ljharb: CVS is not subversion. http://www.pushok.com/software/svn-vscvs.html
03:38 <astropirate> HAHAAH
03:38 <ChrisPartridge> it's my excuse to never touch it
03:39 <sinclairzx> ChrisPartridge: hated VSS, also hate Team Foundation
03:39 <sinclairzx> microsoft doesn't do version control all that well imo
03:39 <astropirate> sinclairzx, do you work for microsoft?
03:39 <ljharb> sinclairzx: CVS is all centralized version control, and it's all atrocious.
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03:39 <Oddman> they're both bad
03:39 <Oddman> SVN is slightly better than CVS
03:39 <ljharb> and CVS is worse than subversion. and that link is from 2005. don't post links that old.
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03:40 <sinclairzx> Oddman: SVN works for small teams, and as i work on a lot of my personal projects alone, it suites me fine
03:40 <ljharb> sinclairzx: the fact that you think that shows you know nothing of git.
03:40 <sinclairzx> astropirate: no, i don't work for Microsoft
03:41 <ljharb> centralized version control doesn't work for any size team.
03:41 <Oddman> sinclairzx, until you want to branch properly
03:41 <Oddman> or pull a feature from someone else without it being on the main repos
03:41 <ljharb> or work offline
03:41 <Oddman> :)
03:41 <Oddman> I don't know how I survived without git
03:41 <ljharb> or join the developer world of 2009
03:41 <Oddman> it made dev soooo lovely
03:41 <sinclairzx> ljharb: what the hell are you talking about, i don't have any issues with github at all, i just currently don't use it (but will when i start moving stuff onto Azure)
03:42 <ljharb> sinclairzx: i'm not talking about github, altho thats awesome. i'm talking about git.
03:42 <Oddman> git != github
03:42 <sinclairzx> Oddman: im aware
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03:42 <astropirate> I'm a hipster I use http://gitorious.org/ for git hosting
03:42 <Oddman> need to stick to the terms then dude, cos that was confusing :)
03:43 <Oddman> seeing as noone menitoned github. heh
03:43 <sinclairzx> Oddman: i figured i was being flamed because i currently use google code
03:43 <astropirate> Oddman, how dare you inject logic into this discussion!
03:43 <ljharb> sinclairzx: you're being flamed because google code means you use svn. altho google code is awful too.
03:43 <astropirate> sinclairzx, nahh.. google code now also supports git
03:43 <sinclairzx> astropirate: haven't checked lately
03:44 <sinclairzx> ljharb: stfu, who cares what version control system i use?
03:44 <ChrisPartridge> Gee, gitorious is looking pretty slick these days
03:44 <Oddman> astropirate, sorry :'(
03:44 <astropirate> ChrisPartridge, I want to use them but.. they dont have issue manager and wiki :(
03:45 <__pr0t0__> Somebody should tell the FreeBSD guys that git is the only way to go
03:45 <astropirate> I had an account there btu had to give it up becuase of issue manager that was available on github
03:45 <ljharb> sinclairzx: certainly you don't care if you're not using git :-)
03:45 <__pr0t0__> They haven't gotten the message and are still winning
03:45 <ChrisPartridge> astropirate: Yeah, we are using mercurial+fogbugz+kiln here - works quite well
03:45 <astropirate> wining what??
03:45 <__pr0t0__> Well, they have an OS and you don't. That's pretty winning to me.
03:45 <Oddman> "They haven't gotten the message and are still winning"
03:45 <Oddman> LOL
03:45 <Oddman> winning how?
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03:45 <sinclairzx> ljharb: correct, i don't care, it offers me nothing over what i currently use
03:45 <astropirate> __pr0t0__, actually.... no. I have written an OS or two :p please check your facts
03:46 <Oddman> sinclairzx, that's not true :)
03:46 <astropirate> very incredibly simple, but an OS non the less
03:46 <Oddman> it offers quite a bit that you'd find very useful both personally and as part of your team
03:46 <sinclairzx> ljharb: i will care slightly more when i decide to hook up git publishing on azure
03:46 <ljharb> sinclairzx: that's 1000% not true.
03:46 <__pr0t0__> astropirate: I mean an OS that works and people use. I'm sure yours was great, but it's not powering some ATM somewhere I'm sure :)
03:46 <ljharb> sinclairzx: git offers more than svn - you just don't realize what yet.
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03:46 <sinclairzx> ljharb: guess what, im done, talking about git
03:46 <astropirate> __pr0t0__, why you go on tanget? what are they wining???????????????
03:47 <astropirate> is there a prize?
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03:47 <astropirate> competetion i dont know about?
03:47 <Oddman> correct
03:47 <ljharb> sinclairzx: you can be done talking about it, but i'm not done, because you are stuck in the stone ages if you're using centralized version control.
03:47 <Oddman> FreeBSD won the best cake award for 2012
03:47 <ljharb> that's like trying to defend still using a dialup modem.
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03:47 <__pr0t0__> astropirate: Yes. The prize is cake.
03:47 <astropirate> Oddman, damn!
03:47 <[AD]Turbo> hi there
03:47 <__pr0t0__> Oddman beat me.
03:47 <astropirate> yes
03:47 <Oddman> hehe
03:47 <astropirate> you did not win!
03:47 <astropirate> :p
03:48 <Oddman> __pr0t0__, is proto.
03:48 <__pr0t0__> I lost as usual :<
03:48 <sinclairzx> ljharb: im aware of all the benefits of git, my view is this ... "oh, that's nice, i should move all my projects over to it one day". and that's it
03:48 <ljharb> fair enough. except that "one day" was 2 or 3 years ago, so you should get on it.
03:48 <astropirate> lol
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03:48 <astropirate> ljharb, dont give him a hard time
03:49 <ljharb> sinclairzx: http://jonmaddox.com/2008/03/05/cleanly-migrate-your-subversion-repository-to-a-git-repository/ will get you migrated in seconds (plus however long you have to wait if your svn server is slow)
03:49 <ljharb> astropirate: i push because i love. i push because i love.
03:49 <Oddman> I push because I'm pregnant.
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03:49 <astropirate> i push only when I know there is a cliff behind them
03:49 <astropirate> :O
03:49 <Oddman> haha
03:50 <Oddman> you scoundrel you
03:50 <sinclairzx> ljharb: actually, i was thinking about pushing all my code out to a paid for TFS repo
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03:51 <ljharb> oh you can store the git server anywhere. you can make one on any server and just push to it with ssh.
03:51 <ljharb> for freeeee
03:51 <ljharb> altho github is awesome and you should use that.
03:51 <sinclairzx> ljharb: you get what you pay for in other words?
03:51 <Oddman> no, this isn't microsoft sinclairzx
03:51 <sinclairzx> ljharb: like PHP, that's free too
03:51 <ljharb> yup. basic stuff is free, github awesomeness is paid for. unless youre doing open source, and then github gives it to you for free
03:51 <Oddman> where every 2nd windows release is fail
03:52 <ljharb> sinclairzx: we're talking about service. that's the only place where you get what you pay for.
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03:52 <astropirate> sinclairzx, node.js is also free
03:52 <astropirate> it must be crap
03:52 <Oddman> :P
03:52 <astropirate> you shouldnt useit
03:52 <Oddman> noooooooooooo
03:52 <astropirate> javascript is also free
03:52 <sinclairzx> astropirate: exactly
03:52 <astropirate> so is typescript
03:52 <astropirate> dump it all
03:52 <astropirate> set it on fire!!!
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03:52 <ljharb> software should be free. nothing else has to be.
03:52 <astropirate> air
03:52 <astropirate> Anyway
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03:53 <astropirate> Anyone interested in forming a team?
03:53 <astropirate> doing node.js projects
03:53 <Oddman> depends
03:53 <Sven_vB> will jade's feature-richness end up in being slow for even simple templates?
03:53 <Oddman> does it involve cake?
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03:53 <astropirate> most consulting gigs really require a team. And I am only 1 guy
03:53 <SomeoneWeird> wats cake
03:53 <ljharb> Sven_vB: yes, i'm sure it will be slower - but, you should not worry about performance until youve built it, and its measurably slow.
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03:54 <astropirate> this is cake: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UJkiMrI6ZI SomeoneWeird
03:54 <Oddman> cakephp? :P
03:54 <SomeoneWeird> THATS A LIE
03:54 <hemanth> anyone pawing at cluster? trying to get a soild use case to support it ....
03:54 <Oddman> link?
03:54 <sinclairzx> ljharb: you know, i could proclaim all the benefits of using .NET over JS because you don't know what your missing out on, but i won't
03:54 <Oddman> sinclairzx, you could TRY :P
03:55 <astropirate> Pm me if anyone is intersted in teaming up :)
03:55 <ljharb> .net and JS aren't comparable
03:55 <sinclairzx> hemanth: ive been looking into cluster actually
03:55 <SomeoneWeird> o look facebooks down
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03:55 <hemanth> sinclairzx, nice, what more than the examples?
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03:55 <sinclairzx> hemanth: not at this stage :) but i have been thinking about it alot
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03:56 <hemanth> sinclairzx, say, some data crunching?
03:56 <astropirate> hemanth, use cluster to use all of the cores in your CPU
03:56 <sinclairzx> hemanth: not in that context no
03:56 <astropirate> if y ou have say... 8 cores. 1 node process will only use 1 core
03:56 <Sven_vB> astropirate, which country to team up in?
03:56 <hemanth> astropirate, right, aware of that. But where is it most useful and very strong use case is what i'm looking for
03:57 <sinclairzx> hemanth: more in lines of modularizing contextual code into the same app, and running them over multiple threads, on the SAME port
03:57 <astropirate> Sven_vB, anywhere, remote is fine by me
03:57 <astropirate> hemanth, that is the use case for it
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03:57 <sinclairzx> hemanth: something along the lines of having both a web app, and a socket.io app running on the same port
03:57 <astropirate> that is the only use case fo rit
03:58 <sriley> well since node js is single threaded if you only have 1 process running on 1 core and you get 2 requests at the same time the second request will have to wait till the first one is finished
03:58 <ChrisPartridge> not really
03:58 <__pr0t0__> async doesn't quite work like that
03:58 <ChrisPartridge> if request 1 has to hit io, and request 2 doesnt, request 2 might get out first
03:58 <hemanth> sinclairzx, socket and web and irc and so on, on the same port astropirate
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03:59 <sriley> yes its not quite like that, but in its simplest form its easy to describe like that
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03:59 <astropirate> hemanth, good catch. my bad I didnt think of that
03:59 <Jygga> its just all sorts of wrong to descibe it like that but sure :)
03:59 <sinclairzx> hemanth: ?
04:00 <sinclairzx> hemanth: im pretty sure there isn't any other way to do it
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04:02 <hemanth> sinclairzx, blank!
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04:03 <sinclairzx> ...?
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04:06 <hemanth> sinclairzx, trying to make one such
04:06 <sinclairzx> hemanth: dude, i can't understand you
04:07 <hemanth> sinclairzx, trying to use cluster module to make an app with many workers doing different tasks over the same port
04:08 <sinclairzx> hemanth: oohh
04:08 <sinclairzx> hemanth: yeah, i think it is also a sensible way to structure an application
04:08 <hemanth> yup
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04:08 <sinclairzx> with the idea being that a disparate node app today, can be hosted in a cluster tomorrow
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04:09 <hemanth> sinclairzx, heh heh :)
04:09 <sinclairzx> hemanth: i need something like this for Azure
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04:09 <hemanth> sinclairzx, PM?
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04:10 <sinclairzx> in channel would be better, clusters are a relevant topic
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04:13 <hemanth> okies, will be back, need some food!
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04:16 <sinclairzx> its pretty neat that nodejs can keep a setInterval looping in the background all the while serving requests
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04:16 <sinclairzx> nodejs +1
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04:19 <mmalecki> sinclairzx: event loops rock :)
04:20 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: gotta say, that's quite a nice feature, although the setInterval 'interval' parameter is not accurate
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04:22 <mmalecki> sinclairzx: yeah, that happens because you end up blocking sometimes
04:23 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: do you run node on IIS at all?
04:23 <mmalecki> it shouldn't be that inaccurate tho
04:23 <mmalecki> no, I try to stay away from IIS as far as I can
04:23 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: its ultra inaccurate
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04:24 <mmalecki> sinclairzx: how many miliseconds are we talking about?
04:24 <sinclairzx> about 1000
04:24 <mmalecki> WAT.
04:24 <sinclairzx> i set interval to 1
04:24 <mmalecki> I mean, damn man.
04:25 <mmalecki> get rid of IIS, set up some proxy in front of node if you care enough
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04:25 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: like?
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04:26 <sinclairzx> don't say nginx
04:26 <mmalecki> sinclairzx: node-http-proxy
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04:26 <mmalecki> running in front of over 4k machines at nodejitsu, definitely production-ready :)
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04:26 <mmalecki> (multiple instances, obviously)
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04:27 <pixie79> morning all - i am looking to try and simplfy my drbd read module so that i can then use it other for more than one script, I think i am lost in the how to put functions in modules correctly and then have them read a file and return
04:27 <pixie79> so far i have: http://pastebin.com/RzdtnqCy
04:27 <pixie79> which just prints 'FUNCTION'
04:28 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: does it offer me process management, scalability on multi core servers, auto-update, access to logs over http, does it run side by side with .NET applications, and a integrated management experience ?
04:28 <pixie79> ignore me - i found how to get it to give me the results, now just to see if i can assign that to a var
04:28 <mmalecki> sinclairzx: nope, it wasn't built for it
04:29 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: IIS is built for that
04:29 <mmalecki> for process management I'd recommend forever
04:29 <mmalecki> cool
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04:29 <sinclairzx> IIS FTW !
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04:30 <pixie79> hm - ok may be not, if i dump inside the function it prints, but i need to return contents of the read file
04:30 <mmalecki> heh, whatever you prefer
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04:30 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: looking at deploying to Azure
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04:33 <rendar> mmalecki: you are at nodejitsu? :)
04:33 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: handlebars looks like a good template engine
04:34 <mmalecki> rendar: yup, devops engineer
04:34 <rendar> mmalecki: cool!
04:34 <mmalecki> indeed it is :)
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04:34 <jesusabdullah> the mustache family isn't terrible
04:34 <jesusabdullah> at least, as non-terrible as templating can really be
04:35 <rendar> mmalecki: they have 4000 machines? wow, i didn't thought that
04:35 <mmalecki> rendar: hey, those apps have to go somewhere, right? :)
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04:36 <rendar> eheheh
04:36 <rendar> mmalecki: so basically, you write your server with node.js, and you just submit it to nodejitsu and they run it, in few clicks..
04:36 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: do you use handlebars to precompile your templates, or do you have your application compile them on the fly?
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04:37 <jesusabdullah> sinclairzx: you mean like, caching?
04:37 <mmalecki> rendar: one command line, to be precise :)
04:37 <rendar> mmalecki: lol :P
04:38 <mmalecki> sinclairzx: I don't use handlebars
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04:38 <mmalecki> I rarely do stuff on frontend these days
04:38 <sinclairzx> jesusabdullah: nope, not exactly
04:38 <mmalecki> if I do, I use plates
04:38 <NodeX> anyone here use socket.io?
04:38 <jesusabdullah> sinclairzx: wouldn't it really be a matter of whether you need to update values or not?
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04:38 <jesusabdullah> NodeX: yes, everyone and their dog uses socket.io ;)
04:38 <sinclairzx> jesusabdullah: but everyone should cache, it's what what im refering to
04:38 <NodeX> in production on large scale sites?
04:38 <jesusabdullah> yes
04:39 <sinclairzx> jesusabdullah: values are typically passed into a compiled template
04:39 <NodeX> what sort of performance do you get out of it
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04:39 <jesusabdullah> oh I see
04:39 <NodeX> say 50k connected users pushing a message to all?
04:39 <jesusabdullah> I mean, that saves some computation up-front, I'd think
04:39 <jesusabdullah> yes
04:39 <jesusabdullah> if websockets are going
04:39 <mmalecki> NodeX: you'd need around 10 GBs of total RAM to do that I think
04:40 <Nexxy> ugh.
04:40 <NodeX> but it would handle it fine yes?
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04:40 <mmalecki> 256 MB machine can handle around 500 concurrent users with a simple hello world app
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04:41 <sinclairzx> is it considered blasphemy to use Microsoft SQL Server to house my nodejs applications data?
04:41 <NodeX> that's pretty cool
04:41 <rendar> mmalecki: how they at ninjutsu manage security? i mean, what about if i deploy a malicious node.js script? are they sandboxed or what?
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04:41 <TehShrike> wat
04:41 <mmalecki> rendar: yeah, we do heavy sandboxing
04:41 <rendar> mmalecki: i see
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04:42 <rendar> mmalecki: but you use a your own sandbox, or the one with node.js(? does it have one) or googlev8?
04:42 <sinclairzx> mmalecki: do you work at nodejitsu ?
04:42 <NodeX> is there a general accepted method of scaling socket.io or is it accepted to scale horizinatly by adding more servers
04:42 <mmalecki> sinclairzx: yes
04:42 <sinclairzx> oh nice
04:42 <sinclairzx> kudos
04:43 <mmalecki> rendar: various operating system-level techniques
04:43 <Nexxy> that depends on what you call "work"
04:43 <rendar> mmalecki: i see, linux i guess
04:43 <mmalecki> rendar: smartos
04:43 <sinclairzx> hello Nexxy
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04:43 <Nexxy> hi sinclairzx
04:43 <mmalecki> but those do apply to unix in general
04:44 <rendar> mmalecki: i see
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04:44 <mmalecki> Nexxy: I'm a responsible employee!
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04:46 <eldios> sinclairzx, it's considered blasmpehy to use MSSQL :P
04:46 <eldios> Nexxy, \o/
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04:47 <mmalecki> it's considered blasphemy to use MS*
04:47 <eldios> o/
04:47 <Spion_> except for typescript
04:47 <mmalecki> well, no, that too ;)
04:48 <Nexxy> mmalecki, uh huh ;P
04:48 <Nexxy> eldios, hai \o/
04:48 <eldios> ^^
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04:50 <mmalecki> Nexxy: btw, when are you arriving to Dublin?
04:50 <mmalecki> I'm getting in on 15th
04:51 <eldios> oh.. are you going to the nodejsconf in dublin?
04:51 <mmalecki> hell yeah I am
04:51 <eldios> =)
04:51 <mmalecki> hit me up for drinks
04:51 <mmalecki> where I'll be representing as a responsible nodejitsu employee.
04:51 <eldios> well if you pass near Pisa, I will sure do
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04:52 <mmalecki> eldios: I'll be in Brescia
04:52 <eldios> oh
04:52 <mmalecki> for nodejsconf.it
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04:52 <eldios> I'll be there too
04:52 <mmalecki> hit me up for drinks!
04:52 <eldios> let's definitely meet there
04:52 <mmalecki> I'm getting in on 6th, leaving on 19th
04:52 <eldios> wow
04:53 <eldios> visiting the area?
04:53 <mmalecki> definitely
04:53 <eldios> well.. be sure to come in Tuscany
04:53 <eldios> we'll drink twice :P
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04:54 <mmalecki> at least.
04:54 <eldios> XD
04:54 <mmalecki> brb, gotta buy some milk, my fridge is full of beer
04:54 <mmalecki> with no food
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04:57 <pixie79> how do i return an array to the calling function, when the contents of the array are the result of a file read?
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04:58 <astropirate> pixie79, you dont
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04:58 <pixie79> currently i have the following ?http://pastebin.com/jEbnxJg0
04:58 <astropirate> have the callign function provide a callback function
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04:58 <astropirate> which takes the array as a parameter
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05:00 <pixie79> astropirate: i get the first part - not sure how i assign the array as a parameter to a callback though
05:01 <astropirate> callback(myArray);
05:01 <hemanth> sinclairzx, still around?
05:01 <sinclairzx> yus
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05:02 <hemanth> so how about a Torrent cluster client?
05:02 <sinclairzx> hemanth: maybe?
05:02 <Nexxy> mmalecki, not till the 16th I believe
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05:02 <pixie79> ok i will try
05:02 <hemanth> astropirate, what say? ^^
05:02 <Nexxy> mmalecki, I *just* got to Berlin an hour ago
05:02 <sinclairzx> hemanth: tbh, i haven't built a torrent client before
05:03 <astropirate> hemanth, what? o_O
05:03 <hemanth> sinclairzx, Torrent cluster client?
05:03 <hemanth> sinclairzx, we can use required modules and each worker will work on given set of links. astropirate
05:04 <sinclairzx> hemanth: where are you from ?
05:04 <hemanth> hemanth, Bangalore
05:04 <astropirate> hemanth, what would be the point of that?
05:04 <hemanth> astropirate, just to get an app with cluster ;) #fun?
05:05 <* astropirate> slaps hemanth
05:05 <astropirate> no fun allowed
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05:08 <pixie79> astropirate: that just gave me function callback is not defined: -> exports.read = function (callback) {
05:08 <astropirate> sec lemme look at your code
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05:11 <astropirate> pixie79, http://pastie.org/4913797
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05:12 <pixie79> astropirate: thanks
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05:22 <pixie79> astropirate: much appreciated - i now have that data where i need it in an array ready to be used - just need to chop it in to json ideally next
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05:37 <mmalecki> Nexxy: awesome. drinks on 16th
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05:38 <pyrotechnick> this is huge: http://news.sky.com/story/993180/milky-way-black-holes-found-by-astronomers
05:38 <pyrotechnick> predatory universe
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05:43 <astropirate> pixie79, sorry was AFK
05:43 <astropirate> to do that just do JSON.encode()
05:43 <astropirate> sorry i mean
05:43 <astropirate> JSON.stringify
05:43 <BennyLava> > JSON.encode
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05:51 <Nexxy> mmalecki haha oki
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05:51 <mmalecki> Nexxy: AvianFlu is getting in on 16th too!
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05:53 <mon> any info about node.js based Tent server yet?:)
05:53 <Nexxy> sweet!
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05:55 <mmalecki> Nexxy: yes!
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06:10 <gavri> I'm using express. I'd like to functional test my application without having to start up a server. is there a way to get my requests routed and my request handlers executed without having to start up an http server?
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06:11 <astropirate> I would like to know this too
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06:23 <hemanth> Rails to node.js 20X time faster! :)
06:24 <Gottox> <random your-mother response>
06:24 <* astropirate> smacks Gottox
06:25 <astropirate> hemanth, that is good but as many have said: we just dont know why that is
06:25 <astropirate> is that becaue node is just retardedly faster
06:25 <jcoglan> fwiw, I have plenty of tests that boot a server and make requests, for integration tests
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06:25 <astropirate> or because their old code just sucked massively
06:25 <jcoglan> booting a server is plenty fast enough for this
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06:26 <jcoglan> if you don't want to do that, just invoke the request handler function with fake request and response objects
06:26 <jcoglan> check that the response receives writeHead(), write(), end() et
06:26 <jcoglan> s/et/etc/
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06:27 <gavri> jcoglan: I'd like the functional test to include the actual url that is matched and routed
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06:28 <jcoglan> so either boot a server and use http to call it, or call the request-handler function with a fake request
06:28 <jcoglan> e.g. {url: '/the/url/being/tested'}
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06:29 <gavri> if I call the request handler function directly, I'm bypassing the actual routing which I don't want to unit test separately
06:29 <jcoglan> you'll obviously need more to make it a real-looking request object, but it's fairly easy to add the properties a typical request handler uses
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06:29 <jcoglan> I don't mean call the individual route handler, I mean call the top-level handler that processes all incoming requests
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06:29 <gavri> oh
06:30 <gavri> that's cool
06:30 <jcoglan> (I don't know exactly where that is in express, or if it's exposed)
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06:30 <gavri> jcoglan: thanks. I'll see if I can pursue that
06:30 <jcoglan> but I'd try going the full-stack route w/ booting a server first, it's surprisingly fast
06:30 <astropirate> http://ikaisays.com/2012/10/04/clearing-up-some-things-about-linkedin-mobiles-move-from-rails-to-node-js/
06:31 <jcoglan> I do this in a bunch of my tests, e.g. https://github.com/jcoglan/restore/tree/master/spec/restore
06:31 <jcoglan> they're really fast
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06:32 <gavri> it's not about the speed. I just don't know how to get it to work. for example, all my functional tests need this and I could choose to run an individual test, or a subdirectory of tests or all the tests
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06:32 <gavri> and in all these cases, I'd like for a server to start up
06:32 <gavri> but only once
06:32 <gavri> I use vows
06:32 <gavri> which takes in one or more list of test files
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06:34 <jcoglan> to start the server, you could use
06:35 <hemanth> astropirate, :)
06:35 <jcoglan> topic: function() { server.listen(4567, this.callback) }
06:35 <jcoglan> (possible, I don't know vows)
06:35 <jcoglan> but you'd need an 'after' hook to shut down the server after each test, which I don't know if vows has such a thing
06:36 <gavri> see that's the thing. I don't want to have to type "topic: function() { server.listen(4567, this.callback) }" for each batch of vows
06:36 <gavri> maybe I'm just spoilt with rails tests
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06:38 <pyrotechnick> txdv_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
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06:41 <pyrotechnick> read it and weep
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06:42 <gavri> a way I could work around this is if I use an alternate router (which lets the route handlers be directly invoked) https://npmjs.org/package/router for express
06:42 <gavri> does express allow the router to be replaced?
06:42 <astropirate> no
06:43 <jcoglan> how hard would it be to use a test framework with before-all/after-all hooks that let you start/top the server?
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06:45 <txdv_> everytime i see this vertx i am like
06:45 <txdv_> awesome, fast, must be an awesome thing
06:45 <txdv_> but then i remember that i would have to use freaking java
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06:51 <h4nnibal> how is java freaking?
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06:52 <shinaku_> Anyone developed nodejs on an android tablet?
06:52 <txdv_> h4nnibal: no lambdas
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06:58 <kranius> txdv_: wrong
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06:59 <txdv_> i guess tsince i am always playing with bleeding edge
06:59 <txdv_> it wouldn't bother me
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07:20 <syskk> any reason why require('repl'); breaks Express app?
07:21 <syskk> require('repl').start('REPL> ') actually breaks my app
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07:23 <jcoglan> something to do with stdout.setRawMode(true) ?
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07:23 <jcoglan> I've had repl break the password module and other CLI stuff, never a web app
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07:23 <syskk> probably. anyways fixed the problem by forcing the repl to start only after express server is started
07:24 <jcoglan> s/stdout/stdin/
07:26 <syskk> is it possible that stdout is going to the repl's input?
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07:28 <gavri> I have a question about environment handling in node.js (development, test and production). I'm using nconf and sequelize and both of them seem to assume that there is only one enviroment. for example, sequelize's migrations read from config/config.json (this file path is hard coded in sequelize) and it completely ignores NODE_ENV. what am I missing here? what should be my approach to make sure that when tests run they don't muck around with development data?
07:28 <sinclairzx> anyone here fond of OData?
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07:42 <mscdex_> gavri: send sequelize a pull request? :-)
07:43 <pixie79> is there an easy way to delete the first line of text from a string (or first two lines actually)
07:43 <gavri> mscdex_: but what's the general approach towards environments in node.js world though?
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07:43 <astropirate> pixie79, yes open it up in a text editor and delete the first line or two
07:44 <nkuttler> pixie79: regex, match newlines, remove whatever you don't want
07:44 <litenull> +1
07:44 <pixie79> nkuttler: ok - off to hunt regex then
07:44 <mscdex_> gavri: not sure there is a single approach used, express which is pretty popular, uses NODE_ENV and the like
07:45 <nkuttler> !mdn string replace @ pixie79
07:45 <nkuttler> hrm, isn't that bot here as well?
07:45 <mscdex_> nkuttler: coffee break ;-)
07:45 <gavri> so I really can't submit a pull request for sequelize, I guess. I don't know what the author would find acceptable. there's too much leeway here
07:46 <nkuttler> mscdex_: ok
07:46 <nkuttler> gavri: isn't he in #sequelizejs ?
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07:46 <gavri> okay, I didn't know that channel existed. thanks
07:47 <pixie79> nkuttler: thanks
07:47 <nkuttler> pixie79: yw
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07:47 <gavri> how soon are the npmjs.org versions typically updated after a pull request on github?
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07:55 <mscdex_> gavri: depends on the module author
07:56 <mscdex_> and whenever they're ready to bump the version
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07:57 <eldios> guys if there's anyone (who knows someone) in a need for a remote devOps/sysEng please query me in private =)
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08:00 <syskk> mmm how hard would it be to connect the REPL to Chrome's webkit inspector or something? I'm sure something like this already exists
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08:07 <pixie79> nkuttler: i have this - data = data.replace(/(^.*$)[0]/gm," "); - but it does not seem to be switching the firstline for a space
08:08 <TheSheep> pixie79: I don't think [0] does what you think it does
08:08 <nkuttler> isn't .* greedy in js?
08:08 <TheSheep> it is, not just in js
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08:09 <TheSheep> but . doesn't match \n by default
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08:09 <pixie79> may be - i did it without the [0] and it took the whole string not just the first line
08:09 <TheSheep> pixie79: right, now do it without /gm
08:09 <TheSheep> pixie79: just /^.*$/
08:10 <pixie79> TheSheep: data = data.replace(/^.*$/); - make no differance
08:11 <TheSheep> pixie79: and without ^ and $
08:11 <TheSheep> they are spurious
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08:11 <TheSheep> > 'abcd\ndef'.replace(/.*/, ' ');
08:11 <TheSheep> ' \ndef'
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08:12 <nathan7> syskk: the webkit console is a REPL >_>
08:13 <pixie79> TheSheep: thanks - that matches the first line ok - now i need to hit the second - i will play
08:13 <mscdex_> syskk: i think that's what node-inspector does, or one of those
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08:14 <TheSheep> pixie79: 'abcd\ndef'.split('\n');
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08:19 <mscdex> pixie79: /(?:.*?\n){2}([\s\S]*)/.exec("foo\nbar\nbaz\n\n")
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08:19 <mscdex> that removes the two first lines
08:20 <mscdex> well, it captures all but the first two lines
08:20 <nkuttler> hrm
08:21 <nkuttler> >> 'foo\nbar\nbaz\n'.replace(/(.+\n){1,2}/, '');
08:21 <purr> nkuttler: (string) 'baz\n'
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08:22 <pixie79> nkuttler: thanks - that is the one i needed,
08:22 <pixie79> mscdex: i think i have a different need for your regex as well so thank you for that
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08:24 <nkuttler> pixie79: but do some more reading and there's also #regex .+ vs .* etc..
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08:26 <syskk> mscdex_: yes i know node-inspector but that's not exactly what im looking for
08:28 <pixie79> nkuttler: ok - will do
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08:35 <pixie79> i have just done the following split - var dataA = data.split(/\d+:\scs:/); - which gives me the data split where i need it, however i also need the contents of the match to also be in the split and not cut out - any ideas ?
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08:42 <nkuttler> !mdn string split @ pixie79
08:42 <nkuttler> meh
08:43 <nkuttler> pixie79: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/JavaScript/Reference/Global_Objects/String/split#Example.3A_Capturing_parentheses
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08:43 <nkuttler> if in doubt, rtfm
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08:50 <sinclairzx> is it time for another TS talk?
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08:50 <sinclairzx> is anyone else trying to mix node and TS?
08:50 <sinclairzx> would be good to have a chat
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08:55 <RLa> ts?
08:55 <sinclairzx> RLa: typescript
08:55 <RLa> oh
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08:57 <sinclairzx> i seems im the only one using it
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08:58 <sinclairzx> https://c9.io/site/blog/2012/10/typescript-support-in-cloud9/
09:00 <RLa> will webstorm support it too?
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09:10 <sinclairzx> i dont know
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09:18 <RLa> typescript is certanly overhyped at this point
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09:36 <Guest12336> hi! How do i get all the events in for an addListener; like request.addListener("data", <- how do you what kind of listerners there are
09:36 <Guest12336> ?
09:37 <RLa> see docs?
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09:37 <SomeoneWeird> console.log(request)
09:37 <SomeoneWeird> should be under _events or something like that
09:37 <Guest12336> thx
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09:47 <ansolas> hello,, is there a better way to upload big files ?
09:47 <ansolas> http://net.tutsplus.com/tutorials/javascript-ajax/how-to-create-a-resumable-video-uploade-in-node-js/
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09:47 <ansolas> this solution seams to be quite slow
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10:04 <superjoe> ansolas, does it have to be resumable?
10:05 <Industrial> substack: I'm setting up fleet on my hosting which is just one box/IP right now, so I have 1 drone. I'm not sure from where to call fleet spawn. If I call spawn for a few repos, and then do a deploy of one, will it re-spawn the affected/new build of the one repo? or do I manage the updates myself?
10:05 <ansolas> would be nice
10:05 <ansolas> but would be not resumeable be fasyter ?
10:05 <ansolas> faster
10:05 <ansolas> ?
10:06 <superjoe> ansolas, you might be better off with a multipart xhr
10:06 <superjoe> if you're willing to give up IE9 support
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10:06 <ansolas> aha cool
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10:06 <ansolas> where can i read about this
10:06 <ansolas> ...i dont care about ie
10:07 <Industrial> Also, right now I'm using forever to run my node servers and keep them up. Fleet doesn't do anything about failing spawns, right?
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10:07 <superjoe> ansolas, http://www.html5rocks.com/en/tutorials/file/xhr2/
10:07 <superjoe> ansolas, that'll give you progress callbacks too
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10:07 <ansolas> very nice
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10:08 <ansolas> and how to hande this on teh server side ?
10:08 <ansolas> thank you
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10:08 <superjoe> ansolas, use formidable or connect or express
10:08 <ansolas> ok i use express
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10:09 <superjoe> use the bodyParser middleware - the upload will be available as a temp file
10:09 <ansolas> ok i do research on teh bodyparser
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10:10 <superjoe> ansolas, read the express guide. then you'll know the 1 line it takes to plug that sucker in.
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10:10 <ansolas> yeh i saw that , but have no clue yet how to put all pieces together :)
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10:11 <ansolas> app.use(express.bodyParser());
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10:12 <ansolas> ok great
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10:17 <* jetienne> trying to take off mocha
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10:19 <jetienne> how mocha find the files to which contains the test ?
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10:30 <Industrial> substack: Can I get fleet spawn to clone submodules?
10:30 <Industrial> deploy, rather.
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10:35 <draginx> Anyone know if EMCAScript specifices to use camelCase or snake_case?
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10:35 <Industrial> draginx: if either runs, then no.
10:36 <draginx> what>>
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10:36 <Industrial> draginx: No it doesn't. The NodeJS community however uses camelCase.
10:36 <BennyLava> [citation needed]
10:36 <draginx> ok thanks
10:36 <BennyLava> wtf
10:36 <Industrial> mostly.
10:36 <draginx> BennyLava: ivew heard of it too nodejs style guide
10:37 <BennyLava> "mostly". In other words, personal preference.
10:37 <Industrial> that's what I'm saying, yes.
10:37 <* BennyLava> rolls his eyes
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10:39 <draginx> BennyLava: why do u hate nodejs so much? :P
10:39 <BennyLava> draginx: "u"?
10:40 <draginx> yeah
10:40 <draginx> i actually have a job
10:40 <BennyLava> draginx: and do I? What the hell?
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10:40 <draginx> so i cant spend to much time in here ;)
10:40 <BennyLava> Yeah, so do I?
10:40 <pixie79> hi there a test i can do to see if something is valid json? I have written a string which i believe is valid and when i output it to console.log it validates ok in online json checkers
10:40 <BennyLava> Wha tthe fuck is your point?
10:40 <pixie79> ideally i would now like to be able to call the json parts of the string within the rest of my script
10:40 <BennyLava> What the*
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10:40 <BennyLava> draginx: you see, quite a lot of people with tech job can spend time on IRC at work.
10:41 <BennyLava> jobs*
10:41 <draginx> w/e man, you win the internet
10:41 <BennyLava> draginx: thank you. You, on the other hand, only win at failing.
10:41 <BennyLava> Thanks for playing!
10:42 <deoxxa> arguably i spend more time at work on irc than i do working
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10:42 <BennyLava> Me too!
10:42 <BennyLava> I'm just that good.
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10:42 <BennyLava> Well, fast anyway.
10:42 <deoxxa> also arguably that turns out to be productive
10:42 <deoxxa> most of my work is done by my subconscious, i find
10:43 <deoxxa> if i have a hard problem, i just stop paying attention to it for a while
10:43 <deoxxa> then it fixes itself in my head
10:43 <deoxxa> and wheeeee
10:43 <BennyLava> right
10:43 <deoxxa> thanks, brain!
10:44 <medice> you should go out drinking while your brain works out the problems
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10:50 <mon> deoxxa: so you're better when not thinking :)
10:51 <deoxxa> heh, i guess
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10:51 <mon> ... in solving problems
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11:09 <superjoe> is there any documentation on what streams 2 is hoping to achieve?
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11:13 <holzp> express3 and jade, for some reason my template blocks are not using pretty : true
11:13 <holzp> resulting in no whitespace
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11:13 <holzp> hence ugly
11:13 <holzp> anyone else have this prob?
11:13 <holzp> i set pretty in app.locals
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11:23 <eblume> Hey all. I'm trying to have a devDepenency on "mocha" and "chai", but when I run "npm install --dev" it tries to pull in at least 30 packages, maybe more, and errors start popping up all over the place.
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11:24 <eblume> When I try "npm install -g mocha" and "npm install -g chai" the installs finish very quickly without the extra package nightmare (although with a FEW packages pulled in), BUT they then fail to get included when I require() them
11:24 <eblume> Does anyone know what might be happening?
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11:28 <holzp> so wierd, the whitespace in my jade blocks is being handled completely different than the whitespace in the layout
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11:28 <holzp> and pretty doesnt seem to carry over to the blocks
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11:31 <ansolas> https://github.com/23/resumable.js#readme
11:31 <ansolas> cool stuff
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11:33 <isaacs> o/
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11:34 <isaacs> eblume: -g installs are not for require()
11:34 <isaacs> eblume: you need to either a) install the package directly in your project (so it goes into ./node_modules/whatever)
11:34 <eblume> isaacs: fair enough - any idea about why the --dev install is pulling in half the tree?
11:34 <holzp> :( frameworks, when they are good they are time-savers when they arent they are time-wasters
11:34 <isaacs> eblume: or b) use `npm link` to link the global version into the local space.
11:34 <nathan7> eblume: it pulls in devDependencies recursively afaik
11:34 <eblume> Ah, I see.
11:34 <isaacs> eblume: --dev is almost never necessary
11:34 <isaacs> eblume: devDeps will be installed at your top level anywa
11:35 <isaacs> eblume: so you get YOUR devDependencies, but not everyone else's, when you do `npm install`
11:35 <isaacs> eblume: because, presumably, you are developing :)
11:35 <eblume> Er - so what's the idiomatic way to have your project use mocha & chai for testing?
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11:35 <eblume> Oh wait I think maybe I see now - 'npm install' does MY devDeps
11:35 <isaacs> eblume: list mocha and chai as devDependencies
11:35 <isaacs> eblume: then do `npm install`
11:36 <eblume> Ok. Thanks isaacs!
11:36 <isaacs> eblume: neat trick! `npm install mocha -D` <-- installs mocha, and saves it as a devDependency
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11:36 <eblume> Oh that IS a neat trick. It modifies package.json?
11:36 <context> yes
11:36 <isaacs> eblume: then if you wanna get extra fancy, put a `"scripts":{"test":"whatever command makes mocha go"}` in package.json, as well
11:36 <context> its just like magic
11:36 <isaacs> eblume: then run `npm test`
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11:37 <eblume> Cool. Thanks guys!
11:37 <context> isaacs: wha! now i think you are just smokin the kool-aid
11:37 <davemo> -D === --save-dev ?
11:37 <isaacs> davemo: yeah
11:37 <davemo> cool, TIL
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11:37 <davemo> cba?
11:37 <isaacs> -SB is like --save but also adds to bundleDependencies
11:38 <isaacs> that's the "StrongBad operator"
11:38 <davemo> haha
11:38 <isaacs> aka --save --save-bundle
11:38 <eblume> davemo: Can't Be Asked (well, usually not 'Asked', but I don't know the MPAA rating of this channel)
11:38 <isaacs> davemo: can't be assed
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11:39 <davemo> gotcha
11:39 <eblume> Well that one too. ;)
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11:39 <holzp> can't be arsed sounds much more sophisticated
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11:40 <nathan7> holzp: cannot be anused
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11:40 <holzp> everythign sounds more sophisticated british
11:40 <holzp> loo > can
11:41 <nathan7> hakunin: Indeed C=
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11:42 <davemo> i should really read the NPM documentation, I just kind of learn the pieces i need to in order to get what i want done :P
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11:42 <superjoe> isaacs, is there any documentation on what streams 2 is hoping to achieve?
11:43 <superjoe> just curious
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11:47 <isaacs> superjoe: https://github.com/isaacs/readable-stream
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11:56 <superjoe> thanks
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11:56 <Nasga> hello, i want to setup a tcp thread to read logs, send some comands in nodejs, do you know a module witch do that ?
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11:58 <Nasga> or in web with express, why not :)
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11:59 <superjoe> excellent writeup. looking forward to this new API
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12:05 <jetienne> q. is dtrace available on linux ?
12:05 <isao> a. no
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12:06 <jetienne> isao: thanks
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12:07 <isao> np
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12:09 <s5fs> Nasga: check out 'net', maybe?
12:10 <s5fs> Nasga: also log.js
12:10 <Nasga> s5fs: will see
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12:11 <superjoe> isaacs, at https://github.com/isaacs/readable-stream/blob/master/examples/CAPSLOCKTYPER.JS#L11 where you call String(chunk), how can you be sure that chunk doesn't start in the middle of a multibyte utf8 character?
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12:12 <Nasga> s5fs: thx a lot for logjs :) i will try this way with express / socketio for clients
12:12 <isaacs> superjoe: meh. can't.
12:12 <isaacs> superjoe: capslock is anglocentric.
12:12 <s5fs> Nasga: best of luck!
12:12 <isaacs> superjoe: i could do setEncoding('utf8') to be sure, though
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12:13 <superjoe> isaacs, do it! otherwise people will copy the glitch from the examples into their own code
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12:14 <Nasga> s5fs: http://logio.org <- they do that for linux, i just need for my node app :)
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12:14 <isaacs> superjoe: hm... seems like that doesn't actually work anyway at the moment.
12:14 <isaacs> i must have broken something
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12:16 <superjoe> isaacs, in node.js current stable, setEncoding("utf8") avoids this problem, correct?
12:16 <superjoe> I've been assuming it does but never tested it
12:16 <isaacs> superjoe: yeah
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12:17 <superjoe> cool.
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12:34 <Sven_vB> just watching the NodeJS 0.2 -> 0.3 roadmap lecture, about copying strings out of V8 to send them over the net vs. getting a pointer to the string directly. did that work out since then? also, should i try and store static parts of my web templates in Buffers and write them to the socket directly, instead of building up strings and sending them?
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12:36 <superjoe> Sven_vB, whoa dude.
12:36 <superjoe> you're thinking way too low level
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12:47 <Sven_vB> i'm trying to use node on an embedded device. :)
12:48 <Gottox> like the raspi? :)
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12:48 <Gottox> 0.8.11 compiles just fine :D
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12:51 <Sven_vB> raspi could be, but i'd prefer to try an anykey0x
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12:55 <s5fs> Sven_vB: i'm using node on an embedded device too
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13:09 <s5fs> Sven_vB: i hadn't seen the anykey0x, looks very interesting. i'm currently targeting beagleboards, not really the same at all haha!
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13:20 <larryapplegate> Looking for someone to help me create a server which may include the node-formidable body parser to serve an IOS client. I will write the IOS client, need to know what it needs to do to match what the server expects.
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13:28 <CoverSlide> larryapplegate: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#h- <<--- with multipart/form-data
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13:29 <CoverSlide> larryapplegate: actually, just read the whole section: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/interact/forms.html#h-17.13.4
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13:29 <CoverSlide> it covers the basic types of form data that should be parsed by bodyParser
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13:34 <RushPL> I opened a process with child_process.spawn and when I write to its stdin, the other process does not receive the data .. it seems to get buffered, how to flush it? There is no flush method in process.stdin and I do not want to .end() it
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13:38 <tnorris> RushPL: are you spawning another node script?
13:38 <RushPL> nope, actually a perl script
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13:38 <RushPL> and when I do myProcess.stdin.end() it gets the input but also EOF :)
13:39 <RushPL> so it quits
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13:39 <RushPL> and myProcess.stdin has no flush() :/
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13:40 <RushPL> bbl,I would be glad to to have an answer..
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13:42 <tnorris> RushPL: could you post at least your node script in a pastebin or such?
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13:49 <larryapplegate> CoverSlide: Thanks!
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13:51 <tnorris> is there any documentation on what changes are being made in the streams2 branch?
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13:52 <CoverSlide> tnorris: https://github.com/isaacs/readable-stream
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13:53 <tnorris> CoverSlide: awesome dude. thanks.
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13:56 <rendar> i can't get a thing, i have just read that node do not start manually the event loop, like SomeLib::run(); but why? what advantages this would bring?
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13:57 <nathan7> rendar: The event loop is always there
13:58 <nathan7> rendar: Because it's silly to have that as a manual thing on a platform where everything is in the event loop
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14:01 <tnorris> CoverSlide: whoa, those are significant changes. You know if there is a planned version for integration?
14:02 <rendar> nathan7: hmmm i see
14:02 <rendar> nathan7: so its just for syntax-sugar?
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14:02 <CoverSlide> well he says that it will enter legacy mode whenever the "data" event is listened for
14:02 <CoverSlide> so like when piped
14:03 <CoverSlide> and it should be compatible until that's deprecated, which I don't know when that will happen
14:03 <CoverSlide> maybe v0.12
14:04 <tnorris> interesting. thanks.
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14:10 <Sven_vB> <3 readable-stream
14:10 <purr> Let it be known that Sven_vB hearts readable-stream.
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14:11 <nathan7> rendar: it's because every node program needs an event loop
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14:13 <Sven_vB> rendar, there are only very few things you could do in node that would *not* need an event loop, and most of those are bad things. ;) so, since the majority of programs need an event loop anyway, NodeJS implies that you want one and automagically starts it at "the end" of your main script.
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14:13 <Sven_vB> which therefore most often isn't really the end.
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14:16 <drewolson> hey all, i'm using bluepill to monitor and daemonize a node.js process. when the process is daemonized by bluepill, my calls to an external program launched using child_process fail to return any data. any idea what might be happening here (obscure, i know)?
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14:17 <tnorris> drewolson: is the child process returning data to the node process via stdin?
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14:17 <drewolson> tnorris: i'm sending data to the process via stdin and receiving data via stdout
14:18 <drewolson> tnorris: from the child_process stream
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14:18 <tnorris> yeah, so something like `cp.stdin.write(data)` and `cp.stdout.on('data', function() {})`?
14:18 <drewolson> tnorris: yes, exactly
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14:19 <tnorris> can you run the script outside of bluepill to see if anything is being returned?
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14:20 <drewolson> tnorris: i can and did, the data is being returned when the script is not launched via bluepill
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14:20 <drewolson> tnorris: the rest of the app works when launched via bluepill up to the point of the requirement on external data, then it just hangs
14:22 <drewolson> tnorris: not sure if this matters, but i'm actually piping the stdout of the child process through https://github.com/dodo/node-bufferstream
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14:22 <tnorris> drewolson: hm, ok. do you think bluepill is force redirecting cp.stdout? your js sounds fine.
14:22 <squeakytoy> Mine? http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/525919_4799215144002_877027741_n.jpg
14:22 <drewolson> tnorris: well, i do redirect the stdout of the node process to a log file via bluepill, should that effect the child process?
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14:23 <context> squeakytoy: hahahaha
14:23 <drewolson> tnorris: now that i'm thinking it, that must be the problem
14:23 <squeakytoy> context, its good isnt :P
14:23 <squeakytoy> had to log into irc just to post a funny picture
14:23 <tnorris> drewolson: may want to include the line `process.stdout.pipe(process.stdin)`
14:24 <tnorris> actually, nevermind that.
14:24 <drewolson> tnorris: ok, was just about the ask
14:24 <drewolson> let me try removing the stdout redirection, one sec
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14:26 <drewolson> tnorris: still no dice
14:27 <TooTallNate> Benvie: ref-bitfield looks nice!
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14:28 <tnorris> drewolson: for debugging, can you try not using bufferstream, and process the write event directly: `cp.stdout.on('data', function() {})`
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14:28 <drewolson> tnorris: yes, one sec
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14:30 <tnorris> drewolson: heading to lunch, be back soon.
14:30 <drewolson> tnorris: still not working, thanks for the help so far, enjoy your lunch
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14:41 <Benvie> TooTallNate: yeah it shaped up quickly. I need to finish the tests but it's otherwise near completion I think
14:42 <TooTallNate> Benvie: it'll be cool to be able to pass an Object with true/false flags to an ffi function that has an "int flags" arg :)
14:42 <TooTallNate> Benvie: i'll probably help with the tests
14:43 <Benvie> yeah as I have it now it handles either an object or you can still set the raw number
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14:45 <Benvie> might be worth providing a built into function that outputs a plain object with all the properties filled out on the object. I have it in the test file currently but might be good to at like as a prototype method or Constructor function or somethjing
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14:49 <TooTallNate> Benvie: i called it toObject() in ref-struct
14:49 <Benvie> oh I missed that!
14:49 <TooTallNate> Benvie: and then aliased that for toJSON() and inspect()
14:50 <Benvie> I'll add that then! Wanted to try and stay as close to ref-array and ref-struct as possible but didn't see that for some reason =D
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14:51 <drewolson> tnorris: i figured out the problem, the app i was spawning with child_process was not in the path of the user running the node app on the server, sorry for the red herring, thanks for the help
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15:02 <geNAZt> hi
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15:04 <geNAZt> is here someone who tried to "block" in an nodejs thread ?
15:04 <larryapplegate> Still looking for help with node-formidable or express with multi-part form data
15:04 <larryapplegate> i am able to run either, and feed it images from the browser
15:05 <larryapplegate> but I want to find out exactly what the browser is sending, so I can duplicate it in my IOS client
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15:06 <geNAZt> well you have the socket from the http server ?
15:06 <geNAZt> and every request that comes in gets trough it
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15:07 <geNAZt> so you can catch the whole data send in one request
15:07 <larryapplegate> i am new to node and http, so don't know how to do that
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15:09 <geNAZt> http://borntoprogram.blogspot.de/2011/07/reaktiv-im-web-mit-nodejsexpressjssocke.html
15:10 <geNAZt> something like that should work
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15:11 <larryapplegate> my German isn't good enough, though I did take a couple of courses long ago
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15:18 <geNAZt> nobody got any idea how i could wait for an event
15:18 <analphabet> Wait for an event?
15:18 <analphabet> like block until a certain event is fired?
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15:19 <geNAZt> nah
15:19 <geNAZt> i have 2 node instances
15:19 <geNAZt> and i have a messagesystem between them
15:19 <geNAZt> the one is a storage
15:19 <geNAZt> the other a websocket server, and i want the websocket server to wait for data from the storage
15:20 <geNAZt> but not to block the complete thread / process
15:20 <analphabet> Shouldn't the message system allow this?
15:20 <geNAZt> it works like so:
15:21 <geNAZt> websocket -> getSession -> storage -> search for session -> return session -> websocket
15:21 <geNAZt> but the websocket should wait, till the answer event from the storage has arrived
15:22 <analphabet> geNAZt: How do you do ipc?
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15:22 <geNAZt> via std
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15:23 <analphabet> so your websocket node.js listens on stdin, right?
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15:23 <geNAZt> y
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15:24 <analphabet> Why not try process.stdin.on('data', function(buf) { console.log(buf) })
15:25 <geNAZt> i have
15:25 <geNAZt> the problem is:
15:25 <janmower> does anyone here package nodejs as rpm?
15:26 <geNAZt> i stdout from the websocket process to the messagesystem, it routes it to the storage stdin, it searches, returns to stdout into messagesystem, and the messagesystem to the stdin to websocket
15:26 <geNAZt> but the function is run out
15:26 <geNAZt> without returnvalue
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15:27 <analphabet> geNAZt: ok, i think i got it...
15:27 <geNAZt> http://pastebin.com/rpHnKHHJ
15:27 <geNAZt> that is what i have
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15:27 <geNAZt> i will execute a function in an other spawn
15:27 <geNAZt> and the return value for that should be that in the other thread
15:27 <analphabet> geNAZt: I was right..
15:27 <analphabet> geNAZt: no, no, no, no... you never sleep.usleep( 10 );
15:28 <geNAZt> y thats the problem
15:28 <holzp> I had to give up on socket.io for a project, it was juet getting too complex
15:28 <holzp> sockets kept dropping/going missing/stalling
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15:28 <analphabet> geNAZt: didn't you hear ryan, say it never sleeps
15:28 <geNAZt> i know
15:28 <geNAZt> i dont want to sleep
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15:28 <analphabet> :)
15:29 <geNAZt> i want it to wait for a change on an variable
15:29 <geNAZt> like an watcher, that emits, if the variable changes
15:29 <geNAZt> but that doenst break the scope
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15:29 <analphabet> geNAZt: you have to make your rpc function async
15:29 <geNAZt> i cant
15:30 <geNAZt> the functions that need the data must be synced with this data
15:30 <analphabet> so, it can be called like rpc(bla, bla, function(result) { /* deal with the result */})
15:30 <geNAZt> y but how should i do something like
15:30 <geNAZt> a + b = c
15:30 <geNAZt> where a and b come from storage
15:30 <geNAZt> there will ever be a difference for the value a and b
15:31 <analphabet> geNAZt: you nest it.
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15:31 <analphabet> rpc(bla, function(a) { rpc(blu, function(b) { /* deal with the results */}) })
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15:31 <geNAZt> but for that i have to ask the storage for a, wait for it, ask for b, wait for it, calculate
15:32 <analphabet> or, use the "async" module's async.parallel([fetchA, fetchB, callback])
15:32 <geNAZt> ok
15:33 <geNAZt> then i have to rewrite my websocket -_- :D
15:33 <geNAZt> to make it full async :D
15:33 <geNAZt> thanks
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15:33 <analphabet> yea, only async will make thing non-blocking :)
15:33 <analphabet> you're welcome
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15:33 <Killswitch> MARCO
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15:33 <geNAZt> y but sometimes i want to "block" :D
15:34 <analphabet> geNAZt: why?
15:34 <geNAZt> to wait for some events
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15:34 <geNAZt> and not to have a callback for anything
15:34 <analphabet> geNAZt: to have it easier you mean
15:34 <analphabet> :)
15:34 <geNAZt> y :D
15:34 <geNAZt> im lazy
15:35 <geNAZt> :O
15:35 <analphabet> geNAZt: async module: https://github.com/caolan/async
15:35 <geNAZt> thx
15:35 <analphabet> geNAZt: there's some addon that allows you to do this
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15:35 <analphabet> https://github.com/laverdet/node-fibers
15:36 <analphabet> interesting, but I never used it in production...
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15:36 <analphabet> If only ecmascript had python like generators, then we could implement coroutines very easily
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15:36 <geNAZt> that seems to do what i want
15:36 <analphabet> geNAZt: :)
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15:37 <analphabet> geNAZt: after looking at some more complex examples, I gave up on it... :)
15:38 <geNAZt> y but it does that what i wanted
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15:38 <geNAZt> it stores a function
15:38 <geNAZt> and u dont have to block the process to wait for something
15:39 <analphabet> geNAZt: yeah, but you have to compile it, I think
15:39 <geNAZt> y
15:39 <geNAZt> first i will try to make all things async
15:39 <analphabet> but if it suits you, go ahead.
15:39 <geNAZt> its the best way i think
15:39 <geNAZt> nodejs the event catapult :D
15:40 <analphabet> >:)
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15:40 <analphabet> Can someone tell me, why the authors (isaacs, more or less et al, i think) of npm-www chose to use chouchDB?
15:41 <analphabet> I have to make a similar decision, and it would be cool to hear the pros and cons you've been considering...
15:42 <geNAZt> http://pastebin.com/QULus4g0
15:42 <geNAZt> so
15:42 <geNAZt> that should do better :D
15:43 <analphabet> geNAZt: yea, but I'd store the cb somewhere and simply call it in the listener of stdin, when the data is received on stdin, but
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15:44 <geNAZt> hmm maybe
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15:45 <larryapplegate> analphabet: i think it is probably the replication capability for scaling
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15:46 <analphabet> larryapplegate: I've been thinkin about whether replication is actually useful for scaling..
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15:47 <larryapplegate> for mobile devices apps are keeping a local copy of the database for fast access - when the db can be limited to what is need for each user
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15:47 <larryapplegate> then the problem becomes resolving update conflicts when the db is replicated
15:47 <larryapplegate> at least couch has a mechanism for that
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15:49 <analphabet> yea, but you don't need that for npm-ww, I'd think, do you?
15:50 <larryapplegate> i am new to node, trying to figure it all out
15:50 <analphabet> there are no mobile app, and those wouldn't want to store the whole npm registry on their disc
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15:51 <larryapplegate> for our iPad app, we first tried ruby, gave up and then went to couch. Then when parse.com appeared, it looked like a way to have someone else take care of the server side, which we were not experts in.
15:51 <Leo_> hello, can anyone recommend me a good saas provider with node support?
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15:52 <larryapplegate> but now we are disappointed in parse for both difficulty of doing complex things and response times.
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15:54 <analphabet> larryapplegate: :)
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15:54 <larryapplegate> i wish i had found node earlier
15:55 <analphabet> larryapplegate: I'm torn between mongo and couch, actually
15:55 <larryapplegate> parse uses mongo, and i hated parse's object size limitation of about 100k
15:55 <larryapplegate> which i don't know if it was because of mongo or not
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15:56 <analphabet> larryapplegate: mh.
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15:57 <larryapplegate> or it may have been so they didn't block the threads for very long
15:57 <larryapplegate> our couch implementation was entirely async
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15:58 <larryapplegate> but we were missing all the good things that node, npm, and express bring
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16:00 <larryapplegate> i'm still looking for help with the node server for our iPad app
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16:01 <tnorris> so if I understand readable-stream correctly, `readable._read = fn` is more or less the current equivalent of listening for the 'data' event?
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16:06 <superjoe> tnorris, you're thinking about it backwards
16:07 <superjoe> _read is for if you are *implementing* a readable stream
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16:07 <superjoe> read() immediately returns the buffer if you are using the read stream
16:07 <superjoe> or null if you need to wait for an event
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16:10 <tnorris> superjoe: thanks. just spent the last 2 weeks really understanding the current Stream implementation, and today just realized the stream2 branch was being developed.
16:12 <superjoe> tnorris, understanding the current stream implementation is still valuable
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16:12 <superjoe> tnorris, I feel like it helps you understand the new one
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16:20 <tnorris> superjoe: definitely. just taking me a bit to wrap my head around the new architecture. lack of sleep and caffeine isn't helping much either.
16:21 <superjoe> tnorris, don't worry, it's still going to be a while before it comes out in stable
16:22 <tnorris> superjoe: cool. I was just amazed the first time I realized how many other parts of node rely on streams. now just want to stay on top of that.
16:23 <EhevuTov> tnorris, I just started working with streams as well.
16:23 <superjoe> streams are a pretty killer feature in node
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16:24 <superjoe> and the new Transform class will make them super easy to write correctly
16:24 <EhevuTov> my current problem, is that I don't know how to get socket.io to emit data from a stream. I'm having what seems to be a scope issue
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16:25 <tnorris> superjoe: seriously. awesome abstraction when working with multiple io types (stdio, tcp, etc.)
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16:26 <EhevuTov> I have this uncomfortably deep nested event loop where socket.io.on('connection') creates a read stream from event-stream.pipeline() and on pipeline.on('data') i want it to emit socket.emit('data'). I can only get socket.io to broadcast the data since it's global,instead of the single client socket
16:26 <nathan7> Closures \o/
16:26 <EhevuTov> anyone know of example code to show me how to do this?
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16:26 <EhevuTov> nathan7, is that my issue?
16:27 <nathan7> EhevuTov: You can use a closure
16:27 <nathan7> EhevuTov: and keep your socket that way
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16:27 <EhevuTov> I thought so, but I don't know closures well enough to apply it to my situation 0_o
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16:29 <EhevuTov> nathan7, do you have example code where you're doing something similar?
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16:29 <jmoyers> paste your code EhevuTov
16:29 <jmoyers> gist
16:29 <jmoyers> or whatever
16:29 <nathan7> EhevuTov: Define your handler in your other handler
16:29 <jmoyers> can help, but don't understand your structures.
16:29 <EhevuTov> but it's so ugly :-) I will though
16:29 <nathan7> EhevuTov: Talk is cheap - show us the code C=
16:29 <jmoyers> well, thats kind of the point, right ;-)?
16:30 <s5fs> EhevuTov: broken code usually is ;-)
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16:31 <EhevuTov> nathan7, jmoyers http://pastie.org/4916714
16:31 <EhevuTov> it starts around like 93
16:31 <EhevuTov> actually, I'm going to paste a gist, in case you want to edit it, etc.
16:31 <nathan7> Excellent
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16:32 <nathan7> EhevuTov: okay
16:32 <EhevuTov> https://gist.github.com/3842198
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16:33 <nathan7> I'm curious why ZeroMQ
16:33 <EhevuTov> I'm still learning scope of callbacks, closures, etc. I'm hoping once I learn how to fix this problem, I'll now more about it
16:33 <nathan7> and not Faye or something
16:33 <jmoyers> EhevuTov so your problem is you want to send to a single client?
16:34 <jmoyers> EhevuTov because if thats the case, there are two ways
16:34 <jmoyers> currying, and funciton.bind
16:34 <EhevuTov> jmoyers, correct. I'm currently broadcasting because it's got global scope and my `socket` isn't in the scope, so it's undefined in my CDR function and can't do an .emit()
16:35 <nathan7> jmoyers: function.bind is currying
16:35 <nathan7> jmoyers: with the annoying extra of fucking with your this
16:35 <jmoyers> currying, you can have sendCDR take a socket, then return a function which will send a message on that particular socket
16:35 <EhevuTov> nathan7, the zeroMQ was old stuff I from an older program I forked this from
16:35 <jmoyers> no, bind is FOR fucking with this
16:35 <jmoyers> you can implement currying with bind
16:35 <jmoyers> but something like...
16:35 <nathan7> .bind(null,blah,blah)
16:36 <EhevuTov> first time I heard of currying
16:37 <nathan7> EhevuTov: currying is simple and very powerful
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16:37 <nathan7> Say I have function add(a,b){ return a+b; }
16:37 <thl0> I used https://github.com/substack/node-ap for currying - worked great for me
16:37 <nathan7> I can do this: var addTwo=add.bind(null,2);
16:37 <jmoyers> EhevuTov https://gist.github.com/3842232
16:37 <Benvie> partial is more useful for JS though
16:37 <jmoyers> you don't need special shit to do currying or partials
16:38 <nathan7> >> function add(a,b){ return a+b; }; var addTwo=add.bind(null,2); addTwo(10);
16:38 <purr> nathan7: (number) 12
16:38 <jmoyers> bind or returning functions is plenty good enough
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16:39 <nathan7> okay, ap is cool
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16:40 <EhevuTov> jmoyers, I tried that before and am getting a different error (didn't know how to interpret it though): /Users/james/projects/tekno/netQwikFilter/node_modules/socket.io/lib/parser.js:75
16:40 <EhevuTov> data = JSON.stringify(ev);
16:41 <jmoyers> uh
16:41 <jmoyers> what is in your data object?
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16:41 <jmoyers> when you dump it?
16:41 <jmoyers> that sounds to me like your event stream is not emitting something proper
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16:42 <EhevuTov> hrm, yeah, let me debug a couple steps real quick
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16:43 <EhevuTov> jmoyers, socket type is still 'undefined'. Let me double check your diffs
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16:46 <thl0> nathan7: this seems simpler - function addTwo (a) { return function () { add(2, a) }; }
16:46 <thl0> nathan7: no bind needed
16:46 <EhevuTov> you can't see diffs of gists?
16:46 <nathan7> thl0: I think .bind(null,2); is a bit shorter
16:46 <nathan7> thl0: and a bit clearer
16:47 <EhevuTov> jmoyers, yeah, I'm pretty sure I made only the two major changes you made. Still coming through as 'undefined'
16:47 <jmoyers> simplify
16:47 <jmoyers> since that should work
16:47 <jmoyers> where is socket undefined?
16:47 <jmoyers> inside sendCDR or somewhere else?
16:48 <thl0> nathan7: not if you try to explain currying
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16:48 <jmoyers> well, to be fair
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16:48 <thl0> nathan7: in general though I agree
16:48 <jmoyers> usually when you go start to read
16:48 <EhevuTov> jmoyers, oh, hold on. You're passing the function. I didn't make that change?let's see...
16:48 <jmoyers> you see currying, partial application etc -- you learn the function return stuff, then you learn apply and call and bind etc
16:49 <jmoyers> then you pick up a mind melting substack library and go a bit further, i guess
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16:49 <jmoyers> i've never gone that route though ;-)
16:49 <EhevuTov> what is that technique in JS called, where you return a func?
16:49 <EhevuTov> maybe there isn't one
16:49 <gkatsev> first-class functions?
16:50 <gkatsev> there is no name to it.
16:50 <nathan7> thl0: err, wait
16:50 <gkatsev> maybe closure creation would be most suited?
16:50 <nathan7> thl0: why are you returning a function?
16:50 <jmoyers> no, that specific technique I'm using
16:50 <jmoyers> is currying
16:50 <jmoyers> returning a function has no name, functions are first class ;-)
16:50 <jmoyers> nathan7 it has the exact same effect
16:50 <thl0> nathan7: just try it
16:51 <nathan7> >> function addTwo (a) { return function () { add(2, a) }; }; addTwo(10);
16:51 <purr> nathan7: function () { add(2, a) }
16:51 <thl0> it returns a function that when invoked with an arg adds two to it
16:51 <nathan7> I get a function back.
16:51 <nathan7> thl0: Yes, that's silly
16:51 <thl0> addTwo(10)()
16:51 <nathan7> thl0: I expect addTwo to be a function that returns a number
16:51 <EhevuTov> oh snap! o/\o to jmoyers
16:51 <gkatsev> -g ben alman partial application
16:51 <purr> gkatsev: Ben Alman » Partial Application in JavaScript 2<http://benalman.com/news/2012/09/partial-application-in-javascript/>
16:51 <EhevuTov> thank you got it working
16:51 <jmoyers> excellent
16:52 <thl0> sorry maybe not exact - didn't have time to actually test it, but something along those lines
16:52 <jmoyers> now go look up partial function application and currying, then bind, apply, call ;-)!
16:52 <gkatsev> ^^ good article about currying and partial application
16:52 <nathan7> >> function add(a,b){ return a+b; }; function adder(a){ return function(b){ return add(a,b); }; }; var addTwo=adder(2); addTwo(10);
16:52 <purr> nathan7: (number) 12
16:52 <nathan7> that's equivalent to
16:52 <gkatsev> currying itself is kind of useless in js, but partial application isn't
16:52 <gkatsev> (they aren't the same thing, btw)
16:52 <nathan7> >> function add(a,b); var addTwo=adder.bind(null,2); addTwo(10);
16:52 <purr> nathan7: SyntaxError: Unexpected token ;
16:52 <nathan7> err
16:52 <jmoyers> it… isn't useless at all
16:52 <EhevuTov> jmoyers, bind apply and call being seperate functions?
16:52 <nathan7> >> function add(a,b){ return a+b; }; var addTwo=adder.bind(null,2); addTwo(10);
16:52 <purr> nathan7: ReferenceError: adder is not defined
16:53 <jmoyers> yes, they are function prototype methods
16:53 <nathan7> ..well, you get what I mean
16:53 <EhevuTov> nathan7, is that for me?
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16:53 <EhevuTov> jmoyers, thank you so much. I don't fully understand why we had to do that, but I'll study this. thanks
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16:54 <jmoyers> yeah… the first time you try and use a loop and have an async function call who's return value depends on the value of i… you'll get it, or die trying ;P
16:54 <nathan7> EhevuTov: not specifically
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17:00 <chovy> nice
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17:10 <panahi> anyone know about Riak in node?
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17:11 <jmoyers> i know some.
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17:17 <holzp> in express, is there a means to change the default hostname for responses? like res.redirect('/whatever') from using localhost if its on localhost? setting it universally so its overridden to a different prefix?
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17:17 <therealkoopa> How would you recommend finding millions of items in a database (mongo in thise case) and looping over each one, doing some magic. Of course a loop is blocking by default. Would you use an async loop?
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17:20 <context> is there anything like rails rumble for node
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17:20 <context> ahh node knockout
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17:22 <therealkoopa> rborg: You could do a typeof
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17:26 <janmower> so if anyone's interested
17:26 <janmower> and anyone has a better solution
17:26 <janmower> to spawning a node server process as a different user, disconnecting, and keeping it's pid
17:27 <nathan7> janmower: you mean setuid?
17:27 <nathan7> janmower: http://nodejs.org/api/process.html#process_process_setuid_id
17:28 <janmower> i want to spawn /usr/local/bin/node as nobody
17:28 <janmower> not fire /usr/local/bin/node as root and then reset priv
17:29 <s5fs> janmower: i'm using authbind, not sure if that would work for you
17:29 <janmower> i'm running a few services i can't change source for
17:30 <nathan7> ah, LD_PRELOAD hackery
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17:30 <janmower> not even. some deep unix shell hackery
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17:30 <janmower> runuser -s /bin/bash $USER -c ulimit -S -c 0 >/dev/null 2>&1 ; npm start &> /dev/null &
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17:31 <janmower> so yea someone should work on that
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17:31 <janmower> that was pretty weird to figure out
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17:31 <janmower> and fairly common use case if you have a bunch of different priv services
17:32 <tnorris> anyone know of a good tool to check the security of a web facing node app? tools like skipfish seem lacking.
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17:33 <nathan7> janmower: authbind is LD_PRELOAD hackery
17:33 <janmower> oh really? i should look into that perhaps
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17:35 <janmower> yea except i want to partition services and even though starting some things on ports below 1024 is helpful, it's only half the story
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17:36 <Nami-Doc> Hello - this may sound like a dumb question, but a friend is encoutering a problem with my code i'm not encountering
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17:37 <Nami-Doc> (with stylus) he gets "Error: Cannot find module 'debug'"
17:37 <gbhatnag> hi all -- looking for logging support in node/express where I can set various levels (i.e. debug, info, warning, etc.) - know of any modules I could use? Doesn't seem like express.logger() supports this and it's surprisingly hard to find via google...
17:37 <jmoyers> gbhatnag winston is one such
17:37 <jmoyers> there are plenty out there
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17:38 <gbhatnag> cool thanks, jmoyers - winston seems to be best of breed right now?
17:38 <jmoyers> gbhatnag loggers are small, so there are lots of alternatives...
17:38 <jmoyers> npm search log
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17:38 <gbhatnag> gotcha
17:39 <jmoyers> winston is perhaps the most well known, since the nodejitsu guys support it and evangelize.
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17:41 <gbhatnag> awesome, thanks
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17:42 <Nami-Doc> he's got the exact same files as me, so I don't get why node can't find the module.
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17:43 <jmoyers> Nami-Doc stylus depends on debug
17:43 <jmoyers> he needs to run npm install
17:43 <Nami-Doc> he did so, didn't changed anything :(
17:44 <tjholowaychuk> rm -fr node_modules
17:44 <tjholowaychuk> npm cache clear
17:44 <tjholowaychuk> and try again
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17:45 <Nami-Doc> I'll try that
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18:05 <niteria> ... why do people use nextTick to solve race conditions?
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18:06 <niteria> and by solve I mean 'solve'
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18:06 <jmoyers> uh, they don't or shouldn't
18:06 <jmoyers> but occasionally with the browser, for instance, you do need to let the stack unwind
18:07 <jmoyers> only in certain cases though, for instance after a paste event, reading an input
18:07 <jmoyers> you need a setTimeout(handler,0) to get the right value
18:08 <niteria> unwinding the stack is good, I'm not saying nextTick shouldn't be there, I just don't understand why people think it helps with race conditions
18:08 <jmoyers> you'll have to give an example.
18:09 <jmoyers> if people are using as an equivalent to delay, thats just plain wrong.
18:09 <niteria> I'm reading http://howtonode.org/understanding-process-next-tick
18:09 <niteria> last section for example
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18:09 <niteria> 'When emitting events'
18:10 <jmoyers> thats a pretty wonky example
18:11 <jmoyers> you'll miss the first data event too
18:11 <niteria> yeah
18:11 <jmoyers> but thats true with streams, you need to be careful about when to attach listeners and when you call resume in general
18:11 <jmoyers> but thats kind of the point.
18:12 <jmoyers> niteria look at the comments
18:12 <jmoyers> people are crapping on that article, with good reason
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18:12 <niteria> and 'Keeping callbacks truly async'
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18:13 <jmoyers> well, there is a use case
18:13 <jmoyers> where if a function could result in either synch or asynch
18:13 <jmoyers> you might want to attach the synch cb return to nextTick so behavior is well understood
18:14 <niteria> it looks like it assumes the programmer shouldn't care about evaluation order
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18:14 <niteria> I think that example code is sloppy
18:14 <niteria> var client = net.connect(8124, function() { ...
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18:16 <niteria> this could be easily solved by first creating the client and then connecting
18:16 <jmoyers> yes, but
18:16 <jmoyers> its pretty common in flow control to normalize optionally asynch things into nextTick
18:17 <jmoyers> check out use on async.nextTick in caolan/async
18:17 <jmoyers> but generally, thats a pretty damn nuanced use.
18:17 <jmoyers> doesn't come up all that often in my experienced.
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18:19 <Almindor> when using passport/express/mongoose store, who sets the "user" login property to the request?
18:20 <janmower> hey i have another question for the node luminaries: why spawn npm from #!/usr/local/bin/node ? why not #!/usr/bin/env node ?
18:20 <Almindor> I'm getting a successful login but when req.isAuthenticated() is called, there's not user property set and I can't figure out how it's supposed to be working
18:20 <holzp> passport sets it but you create it
18:20 <holzp> ive been messing with just that all day!
18:20 <janmower> because my dependency walker for my os
18:21 <jmoyers> janmower no reason
18:21 <jmoyers> env is better.
18:21 <janmower> really hates that
18:21 <Almindor> holzp: when does it set it?
18:21 <janmower> when i walk dependencies for all this node stuff, it really blows up on that
18:21 <janmower> all the pythonistas use #!/usr/bin/env python
18:21 <holzp> I bleieve in the callback after findorcreate
18:21 <jmoyers> god damn i hate that term
18:22 <janmower> could node use the same stuff?
18:22 <jmoyers> it makes me think of used store clothes employees
18:22 <Almindor> holzp: I'd like to walk it over in node-inspector, because I'm not getting it set even tho my login is successful and serialize is called, subsequently my requests are without the property
18:22 <jmoyers> fashionistas!
18:22 <jmoyers> yes, of course
18:22 <holzp> uh, are you using express 3? or node > 0.9
18:22 <Almindor> I get the session in the DB and all that
18:22 <Almindor> no
18:22 <Almindor> node 0.8.6, express is frozen at 2
18:22 <janmower> jmoyers: yea whatever the spamastacks if you prefer
18:22 <holzp> im using express 3 unsure if there are many differnces
18:23 <holzp> to debug i just concole logged every step
18:23 <holzp> console
18:23 <holzp> it was a bear to figureout, at least everyauth debugs nice
18:23 <Almindor> the thing is I can't figure out when it's supposed to be set since it's not there in isAuthenticated and that's pretty much first thing after routing
18:23 <Almindor> I guess express/passport try to do it before via some middleware call
18:25 <holzp> well passport has two pieces of express middleware
18:25 <holzp> are you using them?
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18:25 <holzp> passport.initialize() and passport.session()
18:25 <holzp> it wasnt obvious to me till i looked into it more
18:25 <Almindor> yes
18:25 <Almindor> thing is this worked in the past
18:26 <Almindor> we did some major changes and now login (the post part) still passes, but checking fails
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18:26 <Almindor> express session is called before passport too ( i found some problem with that )
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18:28 <holzp> hm, so you can get in once, but then not again with the same cookie?
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18:38 <RushPL> tnorris: well it is pretty complicated all in all, but the idea is simple. Write line by line some command to a perl script in JSON
18:38 <RushPL> and read line by line the results
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18:40 <larryapplegate> Still looking for help on the server side with multi-part forms from IOS
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18:41 <tnorris> to anyone with a good understanding of server port and host binding:
18:41 <tnorris> when I do `.listen(8080, '::')`, the node server works for both ipv4 and 6. is that how node should work, or is it something with my machine?
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18:42 <jmoyers> larryapplegate you mean you need help?
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18:44 <larryapplegate> yes, on the server side
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18:44 <jmoyers> larryapplegate https://github.com/felixge/node-formidable
18:44 <jmoyers> pretty simple api for multi-part.
18:44 <larryapplegate> i have been running it, works fine with the browser
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18:45 <larryapplegate> but I want to know exactly what the browser is sending, so I can duplicate it on IOS
18:45 <jmoyers> so… use web inspector? or wireshark
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18:46 <larryapplegate> i am new to server side, don't know how to run suc
18:46 <larryapplegate> such
18:47 <nrmL> wireshark is client side, and web inspector is client side too.
18:47 <jmoyers> run those on the client and capture packets
18:47 <jmoyers> or just look up NSMutableURLRequests
18:47 <jmoyers> which, you can setValue with a constant that deals with multi-part
18:47 <jmoyers> plenty of examples out there
18:48 <jmoyers> or http://allseeing-i.com/ASIHTTPRequest/
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18:49 <mscdex> wireshark ftw
18:49 <nrmL> Is it costly to run many processes?
18:49 <nrmL> like child processes
18:49 <mscdex> nrmL: depends on if there's a sale
18:49 <mscdex> :-D
18:49 <nrmL> haha
18:49 <s5fs> i'm sniffing with wireshark right now!
18:49 <jmoyers> there is an overhead
18:49 <jmoyers> windows i think has a little bit more trouble with many processes than linux or macos
18:50 <mscdex> s5fs: be careful, you could get addicted
18:50 <s5fs> mscdex: i can quit anytime
18:50 <jmoyers> but nodes model is a process based model and as far as i know we've abandoned thread based isolates (?)
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18:50 <nrmL> yea, I'm trying to figure our a solution to a problem and i keep going back to the processes idea. Treat each child process as an object w/ attributes etc
18:50 <nrmL> *out a
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18:51 <jmoyers> well, people do clusters and service registry type things
18:51 <jmoyers> https://github.com/substack/fleet for instance
18:51 <jmoyers> nom nom
18:51 <larryapplegate> jmoyers: i was trying to stay with NSURL etc., but looking at ASIHTTPRequest looks very interesting
18:52 <jmoyers> yes, i've used it
18:52 <jmoyers> has a decent api
18:52 <nrmL> jmoyers: thats neat
18:52 <larryapplegate> ok, you've convinced me. certainly it is easier when both ends are at the same level
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18:53 <larryapplegate> but first, i want to capture the buffers from the formidable browser client
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19:00 <larryapplegate> jmoyers: looks like i should just go straight to their ASIFOrmDataRequest subclass
19:00 <jmoyers> yes
19:00 <larryapplegate> Thanks a lot!
19:01 <nrmL> can child processes respond to parent event emits? Would i have to do it on child_process.stdin?
19:01 <CoverSlide> if you do a fork you can do child_process.send
19:02 <nrmL> and it respond back?
19:02 <nrmL> *can it
19:02 <CoverSlide> yeah, from the child process, do process.send
19:02 <CoverSlide> prcoess.on('message'
19:02 <CoverSlide> to listen for the message
19:02 <nrmL> kk thank you!
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19:10 <nrmL> jmoyers: would you consider 39 processes too many, haha
19:10 <CoverSlide> 39 processes and a bash ai'nt one
19:10 <jmoyers> too many for what
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19:10 <jmoyers> but unless you've got an issue, the answer is no
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19:11 <nrmL> ok, each one would be grabbing gps info about a bus and based on distances to other objects doing stuff
19:11 <jmoyers> why are you separating these into different processes?
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19:12 <nrmL> uh there are different routes each one goes on, the stops are all different. The speed of each one will be different from the other too
19:12 <nathan7> node can do a zillion of those at the same time
19:13 <jmoyers> well
19:13 <nrmL> yea, thats what I'm worried about if it will slow down or become a issue with too many processes
19:13 <nathan7> I'm pretty certain that's an IO-centric task
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19:13 <jmoyers> no real reason to use a process per object
19:13 <Slade-> is 'connect' related to 'express' in some way?
19:13 <nathan7> Slade-: Yes.
19:13 <CoverSlide> each process is expensive, and at some point it doesn't really improve performance
19:13 <nathan7> Slade-: It's the middleware layer Express uses.
19:13 <jmoyers> connect came first, express uses connects middleware and static file module
19:13 <Slade-> oh, so express adds more to it?
19:13 <CoverSlide> connect is like rack
19:13 <tjholowaychuk> jmoyers express came first
19:13 <nrmL> Yea, i just want to try to treat each bus as an object with location, speed and all that
19:13 <CoverSlide> express is like sinatra
19:14 <nathan7> You silly rubyheads
19:14 <jmoyers> tjholowaychuk well you would know :-)!
19:14 <nrmL> and it would be responsible to update its location
19:14 <tjholowaychuk> connect was derived from early express stuff
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19:14 <Slade-> connect looks pretty awesome.. need to figure out what express adds now :)
19:14 <nrmL> jmoyers: mind if i ask how you would approach it? Rather then doing processes
19:14 <nathan7> express is a web framework
19:15 <nathan7> If you want to build a webapp, use express
19:15 <nathan7> If you want to build a web framework, use connect
19:15 <CoverSlide> express adds routing, templating, and some nice sugar on top of the basic request / response
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19:15 <jmoyers> nrmL you haven't described enough of your use case for me to comment
19:15 <Slade-> ah
19:15 <nrmL> jmoyers: would you want me too? haha
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19:15 <CoverSlide> one thing i like about express is it parses my proxy headers so I don't have to worry about it
19:15 <jmoyers> but i'd only split it into different processes if it was a long running computation problem, or the process could provide a reusable service
19:15 <jjjohnny> what do you do to solve moving paths?
19:16 <nrmL> jmoyers: they are more like short bursts of activity every 3-5 min
19:16 <jjjohnny> when I run my app as normal, the path is X, when I test my app from another directory, the path is Y
19:16 <jmoyers> 'activity' is not well defined enough
19:16 <Slade-> and next() this pretty much ends an 'event chain' ?
19:16 <CoverSlide> there's not much benefit to running more processes than cpus
19:16 <jmoyers> if you're spending most of your time waiting on io
19:17 <jmoyers> no need to split it into a bunch of processes imo
19:17 <CoverSlide> Slade-: next() continues the event chain to jump to the next middleware
19:17 <nathan7> Slade-: continues the event chain
19:17 <nathan7> damnit CoverSlide
19:17 <jjjohnny> why the hell can't node know relative paths for each file
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19:17 <Slade-> Is there something that kills the event chain?
19:17 <jmoyers> … ?
19:17 <nrmL> jmoyers: yea, its mostly getting data with phantomJS and then writing it to a database and then if a bus is so far from a spot it sends a message through twilo
19:18 <nrmL> *twilio
19:18 <jmoyers> is there a reason you need to depend on phantomjs for that?
19:18 <jmoyers> even if you're scraping, doing a request and parsing it as lightly as possible is better.
19:19 <CoverSlide> holy cow
19:19 <nrmL> the gps data is from the bus comps site, just scraping it off. I found out they expose the GPS info of all the buses through a page www.site.com/busID
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19:19 <jmoyers> so why not request the page directly?
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19:19 <jmoyers> either with http client or mikeals request module
19:19 <CoverSlide> actually, even better, use https://github.com/MatthewMueller/nom
19:19 <nrmL> its filled with other crap, like stop info w/ gps data
19:20 <nrmL> need to filter through it a little
19:20 <jmoyers> right but
19:20 <jmoyers> using phantomjs for that is overkill imo
19:20 <CoverSlide> it's great for easy DOM traversal, and doesn't use jsdom, which is a pig
19:20 <jmoyers> yeah but like, a whole instance of webkit for scraping?
19:20 <nrmL> yea, didn't know about nom
19:21 <CoverSlide> i was talking about nom
19:21 <mscdex> there's also cheerio
19:21 <CoverSlide> it's awesome, i use it for all my scraping needs
19:21 <CoverSlide> nom is cheerio + request
19:21 <mscdex> :S
19:21 <jmoyers> does the selector overhead and all that
19:21 <mscdex> probably a simple module
19:21 <CoverSlide> actually, nevermind, it uses superagent
19:22 <jmoyers> add a bunch of weight?
19:22 <Slade-> so I'm trying to understand now the event chains work.. things like favicon seem to end the chain? does next() advance, and simply returning cause the chain to end?
19:22 <CoverSlide> Slade-: response.end() ends the request
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19:22 <mscdex> Slade-: if you don't call next() then the chain ends
19:22 <CoverSlide> Slade-: the chain ends when a function never calls next()
19:22 <mscdex> :-)
19:22 <Slade-> awesome
19:23 <nrmL> http://www.livelycode.com/spawnjs/ might be good instead of creating a bunch of processes for each bus
19:23 <CoverSlide> so technically, you can do other stuff after the response is ended if you want to
19:23 <jmoyers> i… still don't know why you're worried about it being different processes
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19:24 <jmoyers> you can kick off 10 requests for site/busid and most of your time is going to be spent waiting on the data
19:24 <jmoyers> or if you're worried about it, serialize the request + scrap + text message then move on to the next bus
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19:25 <nrmL> its more about I don't know when I would want to kick off that request
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19:33 <zezikaro> can anyone recommend any bdd/mocking frameworks that can test my nodejs ?
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19:34 <zezikaro> I need to mock an entire webservice as it's not created yet
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19:38 <jmoyers> zezikaro https://github.com/flatiron/nock
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19:39 <jmoyers> personally i use mocha for test runner/tests
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19:42 <jtomasrl> is there a good api sample code over the inet?
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19:45 <chovy> i made an npm module, but it can't be found when I require('my-mod')
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19:46 <chovy> i am not sure what to put in "main"
19:46 <chovy> in package.json
19:46 <chovy> my file is in ./lib/my-module.js
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19:57 <addisonj> okay, someone help me think, using request to pipe to a write stream, downloading like 15,000 images, every once in a while it hangs, I am listening for "end" on the respone, and error on both response stream and write stream, yet I am still hanging somewhere
19:58 <superjoe> addisonj, maybe try the "close" event instead of "end"
19:59 <addisonj> on response?
19:59 <superjoe> addisonj, wait, you're using mikeal/request?
19:59 <addisonj> yep
19:59 <superjoe> nvm
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20:34 <Slade-> with express. whats the proper way to serve the / (index.html) with express.static?
20:35 <superjoe> Slade-, it does that automatically if I recall correctly
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20:43 <zezikaro> in nodejs can you make a variable global
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20:44 <zezikaro> hm
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20:44 <TehShrike> zezikaro: not across modules
20:45 <zezikaro> TehShrike what sorry?
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20:45 <zezikaro> ah okay
20:45 <zezikaro> I googled and found GLOBAL
20:45 <zezikaro> But i'll ignore it
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20:53 <superjoe> TehShrike, that's not true
20:53 <superjoe> I mean, you shouldn't do it, but you can.
20:53 <TehShrike> Why would anyone do that >_<
20:53 <superjoe> TehShrike, agreed.
20:53 <TehShrike> Why would you put that in the language
20:54 <TehShrike> That makes me sad
20:54 <superjoe> don't forget your `var` declarations.
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20:55 <TehShrike> Well, just forgetting var won't get your variable in a scope outside your module
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20:55 <TehShrike> Otherwise why would you use module.exports?
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21:00 <nicholasf> I have a constructor function that I want inheriting objects to use, e.g. Base = function(one, two){}; util.inherit(Child1, Base); foo = new Child1(one, two);
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21:01 <nicholasf> what's the best way to achieve this? I thought util.inherits would copy the constructor onto the inheriting prototype
21:01 <TehShrike> nicholasf: you should read about prototypal inheritance
21:01 <nicholasf> TehShrike: yeh, I have quite a bit
21:01 <nicholasf> this bit hasn't become obvious yet
21:02 <nicholasf> note, I'm not talking about inheriting behaviours *on* the prototype
21:02 <nicholasf> I'm talking about inheriting the constructor function itself
21:03 <superjoe> TehShrike, yes it will.
21:03 <holzp> anyone know a good tutorial for the route synxax for express?
21:03 <holzp> oddly hard to find
21:04 <superjoe> TehShrike, https://gist.github.com/3843316
21:04 <nicholasf> holzp: have you read the API? It spells it out there pretty much
21:05 <nicholasf> ok, so I think I have to copy the constructor itself onto inheriting objects
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21:05 <holzp> im talking more about the syntax for the params embedded in the route urls
21:06 <nicholasf> ah nm, got it
21:06 <holzp> express, for all its awesomeness, is fairly sparsely documented
21:07 <TehShrike> superjoe: that makes me sad :-(
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21:08 <nicholasf> TehShrike: I think I need to understand the difference between using {} and function(){}
21:08 <superjoe> TehShrike, use jshint with syntastic and you should be good to go
21:08 <nicholasf> that was what was tripping me up
21:08 <TehShrike> nicholasf: the first is an object literal, the second is a function definition
21:08 <nicholasf> sorry, the difference between {} and new function(){}
21:09 <TehShrike> Oh, right
21:09 <nicholasf> gah, Im not making sense, clocking a few hours here
21:09 <TehShrike> Sure, you're talking about making objects via new Constructor()
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21:10 <nicholasf> https://gist.github.com/779d76424b9c594cbf64 TehShrike - see BelongsTo, HasOne, etc.? I initially had them referencing an object literal - {}
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21:10 <TehShrike> Versus constructing them with var myObject = {} and then adding things to it
21:10 <nicholasf> once I moved them to constructor functions things began working as expected
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21:11 <nicholasf> and, it isnt
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21:28 <zezikaro> is it possible to have a build script like what you can do in maven ?
21:29 <zezikaro> Like automatically run tests etc
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21:31 <Slade-> in express is there a good way to debug routes?
21:31 <zezikaro> add a debugger?
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21:36 <Slade-> http://nopaste.me/paste/1333988102506f8b0e11908 <-- line 17 seems to not be taking..
21:38 <Slade-> i'm not doing something bad by binding the same directory to multiple places am i?
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21:44 <timeturner> anyone have experience in greping something out of a webpage with regex?
21:44 <TehShrike> lol
21:44 <TehShrike> Yes, though I'm ashamed to admit it
21:44 <timeturner> not very grep/regex svayy yet :P
21:44 <timeturner> savvy*
21:45 <TehShrike> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags/1732454#1732454
21:45 <timeturner> whoa
21:45 <timeturner> I hope I don't start typing like that near the bottom lol
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21:58 <zezikaro> does aynone know how to get zombie.js to work on windows?
21:58 <zezikaro> i get all sorts of errors
21:58 <zezikaro> npm ERR! `cmd "/c" "node-gyp rebuild"` failed with 1
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22:15 <JoeDoyle23> What errors are you getting? I just installed it on node 0.8.11 on x64 Windows with no errors
22:17 <JoeDoyle23> If you haven't already, you'll want to do 'npm install -g node-gyp'
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22:39 <timeturner> anyone know if a way to include a lookahead assertion in perl regex
22:39 <timeturner> so perform the lookahead and include the actual lookahead in the output match
22:39 <timeturner> or do I have to concat all the returned matched
22:39 <timeturner> matched* manually
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22:41 <niggler> you can't get the lookahead in the regex
22:41 <timeturner> I think I'll just pipe it into cat then
22:41 <niggler> you can do a lookahead assertion timeturner but you cant get the match
22:41 <timeturner> yeah
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22:48 <Slade-> hmm, i mighta found a flaw in express.static :/
22:49 <deoxxa> go on
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22:50 <Slade-> so I'm doing this.. app.get("/disc", express.static(__dirname + "\\client"));
22:50 <Slade-> and it adds the /disc to the name of the file its trying to get
22:51 <Slade-> so http://localhost/disc tries to pull c:\app\client\disc\index.html
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22:51 <Slade-> that seems inappropriate..
22:53 <Slade-> not sure the appropriate fix tho..
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22:58 <JoeDoyle23> Are EventEmitters overkill when you only have a single listener for multiple events? Are there benefits over a callback model? Interested to hear if anyone has any guidance.
22:59 <JoeDoyle23> Basically, should I use an EventEmitter when its always going to be a 1 to 1 pub/sub?
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23:03 <Slade-> hmm think its a flaw with static actually :/
23:03 <Slade-> err
23:03 <Slade-> send
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23:05 <Slade-> are there any noteworthy alternatives to express?
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23:06 <timeturner> express
23:07 <niggler> how's connect?
23:07 <timeturner> more low level
23:07 <timeturner> express is sugar on top of connect
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23:08 <timeturner> anyone have expertise piping a url into curl
23:08 <timeturner> I've tried and failed with no URL specified
23:08 <timeturner> curl -d - doesn't seem to work
23:09 <timeturner> s/expertise/experience
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23:11 <Raynos> slade: github.com/routil
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23:30 <aMoniker> if I have a file that creates a socket.io server and sets it as exports.io, every file that requires it will generate a new server instead of using a single instance, right?
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23:44 <aMoniker> ok, I'm sending an event from the client using socket.io
23:45 <aMoniker> socket.emi('my event', data);
23:45 <aMoniker> I can see this on the server when I listen for socket.on('my event')
23:45 <aMoniker> but not when I listen for socket.on('message')
23:45 <aMoniker> socket.io docs seem to indicate that 'message' is a generic handler for all messages
23:45 <aMoniker> is this not the case?
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23:47 <* Slade-> checks it out
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23:49 <aMoniker> ok… so emit() is for custom events and send() is for generic 'message' events it looks like
23:49 <aMoniker> so there's no generic handler that I can route from I guess..
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23:50 <mscdex> gotta pick a convention!
23:50 <aMoniker> it seems like I'll have to require() everything inside the socket.on('connection') callback
23:50 <aMoniker> and then pass it the socket var
23:51 <aMoniker> I'd rather just require those files elsewhere and have them use the same io object
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23:52 <mscdex> niggler: i tried node-ncurses on freebsd and it works just fine like on linux there, weird stuff
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23:52 <niggler> i assume mscdex that there are issues with osx
23:52 <niggler> or possibly the lion default (not upgraded from snow leopard) terminfo
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23:52 <mscdex> right, but i thought maybe being based on freebsd that they might share the problem
23:53 <mscdex> niggler: node-ncurses uses the bundled terminfo
23:53 <aMoniker> oh, wait
23:54 <aMoniker> require() automatically caches everything?
23:54 <mscdex> i even tried node-ncurses when it was bundling ncurses 5.8 yet and that had the same result on osx
23:54 <aMoniker> so if I require a file that opens a socket.io connection and exports it
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23:54 <mscdex> aMoniker: yes, require caches
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23:54 <aMoniker> ah ok, so exporting that connection won't open up more when I require more than once
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23:54 <aMoniker> ok, that solves my problem :)
23:55 <mscdex> aMoniker: well, it depends on what your module is doing...
23:55 <aMoniker> mscdex: I'd just like to have one file open up a socket.io connection, then export it
23:55 <mscdex> aMoniker: it just "compiles" the module and saves it in memory
23:55 <aMoniker> so other files can listen on events
23:58 <jmoyers> substack for fleet, is a hub a one to one relationship to a github repository (meaning if you have 3 different service types, you'd have three hubs)?
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